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    Nephisto's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBunch View Post
    Like when do you cast the proc F3? Do you do it while dodging a mechanic? Or do you take the boss AoE to the face?
    Aetherial Manipulation is one I'm trying to get used to using as well...
    I'm using proc F3 while dodging or just before using Blizzard 3. I never take the boss AoE in the face. If I feel I'm losing time, I use it after Blizzard 4 to active Astral and then use Fire 4, but it's surely not the good way to use it, because it's a waste of DPS. It's just faster to come back to Fire 4 Yeah, me too I have to learn how to use Aetherial Manipulation, but on PS4, it's a pain. Or I just don't understand how to use it well with the controller.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nephisto View Post
    I'm using proc F3 while dodging or just before using Blizzard 3. I never take the boss AoE in the face. If I feel I'm losing time, I use it after Blizzard 4 to active Astral and then use Fire 4, but it's surely not the good way to use it, because it's a waste of DPS. It's just faster to come back to Fire 4 Yeah, me too I have to learn how to use Aetherial Manipulation, but on PS4, it's a pain. Or I just don't understand how to use it well with the controller.
    Sometimes it's better to take the AoE to the face. The trick is finding out which ones you can eat, and which ones you can't.
    Like I know I can finish this cast and then cast Manaward/Manawall to not die when the AoE hits and continue casting.

    Using the Proc can be good to either refresh AF3 (best case) or get to casting an F4 faster from UI (still good). But using Sharpcast after F3/Enochian before F4 becomes available to cast to let you use Convert->F3 proc->F4->Swiftcast F4 is awesome.

    Bascially, (from UI3, otherwise it's better to F3 first then Enochian so you don't lose 2 seconds of Enochian)->Enochian->F3->SC->F4->F4->F1->F4->F4->Convert->F3(from Proc)->F4->F4->B3->(T1-optional if you have 6+ seconds left on Enochian)->B4 is ideal.

    Right now for Aetherial Manipulation, I just macro'd it to go to nearest party member.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBunch View Post
    After being 60 for a few months I guess, and I only just got my 6th F4 in yesterday. The rotation is easy to understand but there's zero room for error. The constant juggling and dodging mechanics means you have to improvise all the time. I tend to err on the side of refreshing enochian unless it's almost off cooldown.
    Do remember that you need PIE party buff to have enough mana for 6xF4 unless you're a pesky Dune Lala. Or get a mana tick after F3, but don't count on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyBunch View Post
    But using Sharpcast after F3/Enochian before F4 becomes available to cast to let you use Convert->F3 proc->F4->Swiftcast F4 is awesome.
    It's also better to use FS - swift F4 - convert - F4 - F4 in that scenario, so you don't lose time for spell animations between casts.
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    Last edited by Waliel; 01-15-2016 at 06:49 PM.

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    With Convert, I'll have enough MP to cast two F4? This is not the first time I read this rotation (Enochian->F3->SC->F4->F4->F1->F4->F4->Convert->F3(from Proc)->F4->F4->B3->B4), so I suppose the answer is yes, but when I use it after Flare in AoE rotation (Flare - Convert - Swiftcast - Flare), I don't have the feeling I have enough MP to cast two F4. Or is there something I really don't understand with Convert?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nephisto View Post
    With Convert, I'll have enough MP to cast two F4? This is not the first time I read this rotation (Enochian->F3->SC->F4->F4->F1->F4->F4->Convert->F3(from Proc)->F4->F4->B3->B4), so I suppose the answer is yes, but when I use it after Flare in AoE rotation (Flare - Convert - Swiftcast - Flare), I don't have the feeling I have enough MP to cast two F4. Or is there something I really don't understand with Convert?
    You won't have enough to cast two after Flare. The first rotation doesn't use up ALL of your MP. So the 2100 or whatever you get from Convert adds to your NON zero amount of MP giving you enough MP to cast 2xF4 and 1xB3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waliel View Post
    Do remember that you need PIE party buff to have enough mana for 6xF4 unless you're a pesky Dune Lala. Or get a mana tick after F3, but don't count on that.



    It's also better to use FS - swift F4 - convert - F4 - F4 in that scenario, so you don't lose time for spell animations between casts.
    Thank you! I was wondering why sometimes I was OOM when trying to cast it ><
    Also thanks for the help on the timing of Swift. There's always a way to do get better
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nephisto View Post
    I'm using proc F3 while dodging or just before using Blizzard 3. I never take the boss AoE in the face. If I feel I'm losing time, I use it after Blizzard 4 to active Astral and then use Fire 4, but it's surely not the good way to use it, because it's a waste of DPS. It's just faster to come back to Fire 4 Yeah, me too I have to learn how to use Aetherial Manipulation, but on PS4, it's a pain. Or I just don't understand how to use it well with the controller.
    Up and down on the d-pad will let you target only your party members, and will make targeting it a lot easier.
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    Should be obvious, but if you have a Fire III proc while in UI, you shouldn't use it to enter AF, you should transpose first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UBERHAXED View Post
    Should be obvious, but if you have a Fire III proc while in UI, you shouldn't use it to enter AF, you should transpose first.
    IF and only if you have enough time to do so safely
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    I love that this turned into a discussion on optimal BLM rotation and dealing with mechanics, and it's been helpful to me as I haven't touched BLM since 60 and hitting a dungeon and repeatedly dropping Enochian.
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