Quote Originally Posted by AlexiIvaniskavich View Post
Since 3.0, PLD has had TP issues. There is no offensive ability that a PLD can spam while allowing TP to regenerate naturally. With as little damage that PLD does, this is a problem. Yes I could cast Stone skin on myself (for a max 2k shield) or on a DPS/Healer for a much weaker effect. I am not advocating that a PLD who has floored their TP should sit there on their bum. The weakest tank doesn’t also need to be the fastest tank to the TP floor, without some sort of TP regen/assistance.

You asked how PLD’s hit the floor (still within topic) I showed you how. Your solution to our TP issue is to spam Stone Skin (not even close to topic for what people would like to see for the class in 4.0). A good PLD doesn’t spam stone skin in the middle of the action. They use it during down time (jumps) or just before tank busters. I offer you an alternative to the 2.0 method of pld stone skin just before tank buster. It is a heal that is just as powerful as Equilibrium – it’s just not instant and can be interrupted. You then claim that tanks need to mitigate pre TB and it is a healers job post TB…… Equilibrium would like to say hi….

Your single mindedness on this subject, combined with the fact that your chosen class is built around self-recovery is where I take issue. You are just as guilty as going off topic as Februs or myself.
First of all, they did not have a TP problem since 3.0 because all you had to do was use MP or Shield Swipe, both meant a DPS loss, but you closed-minded parsers wanted to whine so much about Swipe not being a DPS increase. SE caves and gives you the increase you've begged for, and now your only two options are to use MP or do nothing.

Secondly, what part of
Quote Originally Posted by RiisWolf View Post
If you run out of TP....
do you not understand. You're TP is zero, gone. You're not going to DPS because you can't, yet you wanna argue with me by saying you'd rather do nothing than use stoneskin on yourself. And to add insult to injury, assumed I implied use it on the DPS or healers too. Why? Only you should be hurt, not them. Go on, let's see you write "I'm not going to do nothing but spam stoneskin on myself and others" again. Since that's one of the only things you and Februs know how to do. Neither of you even said alternative

Three, timing clemency to cast right after a tankbuster, one that normally kills you in 2 hits, is a gamble. It's not skill. Any idiot can do that and fail on a whim too. All you have to do is cast late.

Four, here you go using Equilibrium as an excuse to justify that clemency gamble, over using stoneskin to further reduce the damage.

Five, how is it that I'm the "single-minded" one when I got you who's done nothing but reject anything and everything meant less DPS like any closed minded parser would without providing any real alternative you can do current other than sit there and nothing, while I got another who blames running out of TP on a 2.4 second recast when so many others including myself can last a minute longer (without using MP btw), and clueless somebody who's just here to troll me?

And seriously you need to stop making this about Warrior. Just because you got a BIG slow, interruptible means to heal yourself, it doesn't mean you try to be a warrior. Just play warrior if you want to use Equilibrium so bad. Otherwise stop.

Roughly isn't half as strong and up for 1/3 of the time. You can't brush off FoF as "roughly" Darkside, just because it increases damage at all. Additionally it's weaker to a paladin because it can not buff Flash and Clemency, both of which are powered by attack power. That's an actual problem. Switching the buff to 30% attack power wouldn't change the DPS gains at all but it'd be a boost for paladin.

The purpose of your post have done nothing but affirm your unwillingness to understand or read the alternatives to a problem you and other DPS obsessed tanks love to fabricate whenever it gets in the way of your numbers, even WHEN and IF you are at ZERO TP. You have never once properly responded to IF and WHEN you run out of TP, you've been arguing over things I never said, what my profile says, or nothing about what you've been actually doing to run out of TP in less than 2 minutes. Not even fracture or extra shield lobs upon boss's reentry was mentioned. Oh right, you're make-believe skillful use of clemency to heal tankbuster damage you could have reduced; again, that's gambling, anyone can do that easily, so stop using "skill" as an excuse to make yourself feel good. It also goes to show how fake and insulting your arguments are, and that's not considering the blatantly rude ones Februs is making. Anyway I'm done weeding junk out of you.

IF and WHEN you decided to acknowledge what "if and when" means, I'll carry on. Until then I'm done. Have fun trying to make things worse for us all.