Thread: PLD 4.0

Originally Posted by Brian_

Because PLD was niche in that it was the only low DPS, low magic-mitigation tank.

Again, the problem with PLD is not that it has personal low DPS. It's that it offers nothing relevant to the raid to compensate for that.

Looking only at personal DPS is like saying BRD is a bad job because its numbers are lower than other DPS.

Originally Posted by Brian_

But, by doing so, you are just falling back into the current meta where anything over that baseline is sacrificed for more DPS.

Unless they design content where killing the ennemy is not the goal, everything above the minimum will always be sacrificed for more DPS. Solo tank or solo heal strats alredy existed for First Coil, as well as STR speced tanks, especially for that. With this idea, you sacrifice a second tank to gain a fifth DPS.

Originally Posted by Brian_

And, if all you cared about was casual content, then none of this discussion needs to happen.

What really set high-tier content from other content is not the difficulty, it's the choice. In Duty Finder, you'll end up with random jobs and random players, so, you don't have to design several strats to clear it. In Savage or early Extreme Primals, you can chose your setup and it will change how you manage the fight. You can specifically try a solo tank Ravana (Or even a solo tank Bismarck, with this kind of stacking defensive buff), so it could be interesting to design jobs around these different strats.

And if different strats result in approximately the same clear time, there's no balance issue.

I'd love to see some kind of trait that would reset the cool down on Circle of Scorn. Perhaps give Royal Authority a chance to do so? I hate to rely on RNG for such things, but I can't think of another good place to put it.

Additionally, something that would allow Shield Swipe to be brought to bear while OTing would be nice.

How about this, give Royal Authority two additional effects:

Sword Oath (Combo Bonus): Royal Authority has a chance to proc Shield Swipe.
Shield Oath (Combo Bonus): Royal Authority has a chance to reset the cooldown on Circle of Spite.

That Paladin's Royal Authority can ignore the effect of Shield Oath. To Maximum the DPS of RA that all I can think of

With all 3 tanks capped i can say for certain PLD needs an actual aoe/cleave and Royal Authority fits that task well.

Then there's Clemency. When i heard the first time PLD's were getting an actual healing skill i was excited. I mean that if anything screams holy knight right there. Well we got a healing skill alright, just not exactly what i had in mind. A very situational interruptable spell with a hefty cost tagged into it. When it works it's great but it feels so clunky compared war/drk which healing is built into their rotation and defenses. Not only does it not weave into our rotation, it's way too expensive to use. Managing mana is something every PLD knows how to do but it's still a dangerous gamble with flash being our primary aoe.

I'd rather have Clemency built into our rotation. A resource like mechanic that builds over time in a rotation (like warriors wrath + unchained for example) would make clemency a heck alot smoother to use and on demand when actually needed. I know, i know, ripping warriors off is not the way to go. Open to ideas.

Originally Posted by Vurtney

I'd rather have Clemency built into our rotation. A resource like mechanic that builds over time in a rotation (like warriors wrath + unchained for example) would make clemency a heck alot smoother to use and on demand when actually needed. I know, i know, ripping warriors off is not the way to go. Open to ideas.

A stacking buff that you could spend on a heal (on one target, with half potency on yourself), or a defensive/offensive buff.

SeemsGood.

Originally Posted by Ragology

If PLD had a stack system, I'd like it if each additional stack increased spell speed up to where at max stacks its like having a Swiftcast. ( using a spell at any time will spend any stacks you've been saving up.)

Exactly what i had in mind with Clemency. If it was changed to work only on PLD itself i wouldn't mind one bit.

At best we will probably just get our CoS duration increased by 2 seconds. But boy can I dream. We definitely need more umph.