Thread: SCH 4.0

No party buffs affecting stats. That's astrologian. They should have their identity in being the emergency healer.

I'd like to see no more new skills but rather traits. SCH have a skill for any situation. Adding an aetherflow trait would be nice. Quite frankly, the class should be split from smn. They can retain their dots, just give them new look and name -- or create a new dps rotation entirely for them. That way they're able to be balanced outside of smn. (Ideally, I'd just like to see classes gone. Make job crystals mandatory for starting out. You start out as whm/blm/etc. and you level those classes for their abilities, basically the way it is now but with jobs). They could also change the Int trait into Mind. Right now it's just kinda sitting there on SCH. These are changes I hope for in 4.0.

Originally Posted by GarnetTribal

Quite frankly, the class should be split from smn. They can retain their dots, just give them new look and name -- or create a new dps rotation entirely for them. That way they're able to be balanced outside of smn.

This has already been done in 3.0 with the exclusion of class abilities via levelling. They tested something out with ACN, which didn't work as intended, but so many people have played and loved SCH for a long time now so you can't simply rework the entire job for the sake of it. They've rectified it, and moving forward SCH and SMN will only drift further apart.

I agree with the party buff thing, it's quite silly it wasn't anticipated and removed at the start of 3.0.

Originally Posted by DarkmoonVael

You have the ability (in lore) to summon one fairy and one fairy alone. Selene is the dusk aspect of Lily, Eos the dawn aspect, and LB3 seems to summon Lily whole on SCH.

But hey, who isnt to say that in the future they go "hey found this old Nymian text, it allows you to summon a different fairy" etc etc etc.

ANNNNNNND if that is the reason sch are only limited two pets then that absolutely holds no more water than a sock with a big fat hole in it. Dusk and dawn aren't the only two components of a day there's daybreak, dawn, day, midday, twilight, dusk, night, and midnight. Lore is not reason, at most not a very good one.

A sure crit buff for the next spell done. would buff scholars a little and give them more tactical options.

a few more area spells like sacred soil. one perhaps to restore mana.

Originally Posted by Aurelinaus

ANNNNNNND if that is the reason sch are only limited two pets then that absolutely holds no more water than a sock with a big fat hole in it. Dusk and dawn aren't the only two components of a day there's daybreak, dawn, day, midday, twilight, dusk, night, and midnight. Lore is not reason, at most not a very good one.

Of course it holds water.

The fairy was a familiar created through Nymian technology (or magicks). As the entire populace of Nym were infected by a disease that turned them into tonberries, whatever knowledge they possessed were lost till a certain adventurer quickly nabbed away the soulstone and became in possession of a familiar named Lily. Lily was already "constructed" with the two aspects we know today. As you completed the scholar quests, Lily reclaimed some of her memories and at the same time you helped certain tonberry recover his and he, in turn, helped other Tonberries.

But wouldn't this mean they'd be able to make more fairies with their memories reclaimed?!
Well, no. Even with their memories, there are several issues:
Whatever was used to create said familiar was made with Nymian materials, technology and/or magicks. All but what was written on tablets that has survived the erosion of time would be lost. And the known tonberries with their memories are unable to utilize aether properly to perform any magicks involved in creating a familiar.
If the ability to create more familiars was possible, why hasn't this been done or mass produced already? Alka Zolka was extremely enthusiastic about the ability of Nymian tactics and the capability of Scholars. Yet he never pursued the possibility to train and enlist more scholars to work together with Marauders. Which was the original purpose of their pursuit of Nymian tactics. It's not like he doesn't want to, but he can't.

Then they can simply teach you how to make your own fairy!
And this addresses the following:
It was never specified they remembered every single detail prior to succumbing to the green-disease. They have merely reclaimed their humanity, although they are somewhat related to memories. In particular the finer details into "crafting" a familiar. After all, they've been loitering around like green zombies for nearly five hundred years.

Modern arcanists have carbuncle, though
Here is where the "unknown" would be. What is carbuncle in the first place? It was never mentioned it is a familiar, nor is it mentioned anywhere it's actually a primal. Primals aren't limited to brain washing god-like beings. King moggle mog, Shiva and King Thordan doesn't have a band of mindless thralls that gives them their form and shape. It's very possible that Carbuncle is actually a primal. Even if it is a familiar, it's closer related to the summoner egi's.

I personally want to be able to apply instacast dots onto targets.

Basically it'll heal as much as a cure or physik but will heal that amount over 10 seconds.

Also more damage reducing spells would be nice too.

Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine

Of course it holds water.

The fairy was a familiar created through Nymian technology (or magicks). As the entire populace of Nym were infected by a disease that turned them into tonberries, whatever knowledge they possessed were lost till a certain adventurer quickly nabbed away the soulstone and became in possession of a familiar named Lily. Lily was already "constructed" with the two aspects we know today. As you completed the scholar quests, Lily reclaimed some of her memories and at the same time you helped certain tonberry recover his and he, in turn, helped other Tonberries.

But wouldn't this mean they'd be able to make more fairies with their memories reclaimed?!
Well, no. Even with their memories, there are several issues:
Whatever was used to create said familiar was made with Nymian materials, technology and/or magicks. All but what was written on tablets that has survived the erosion of time would be lost. And the known tonberries with their memories are unable to utilize aether properly to perform any magicks involved in creating a familiar.
If the ability to create more familiars was possible, why hasn't this been done or mass produced already? Alka Zolka was extremely enthusiastic about the ability of Nymian tactics and the capability of Scholars. Yet he never pursued the possibility to train and enlist more scholars to work together with Marauders. Which was the original purpose of their pursuit of Nymian tactics. It's not like he doesn't want to, but he can't.

Then they can simply teach you how to make your own fairy!
And this addresses the following:
It was never specified they remembered every single detail prior to succumbing to the green-disease. They have merely reclaimed their humanity, although they are somewhat related to memories. In particular the finer details into "crafting" a familiar. After all, they've been loitering around like green zombies for nearly five hundred years.

Modern arcanists have carbuncle, though
Here is where the "unknown" would be. What is carbuncle in the first place? It was never mentioned it is a familiar, nor is it mentioned anywhere it's actually a primal. Primals aren't limited to brain washing god-like beings. King moggle mog, Shiva and King Thordan doesn't have a band of mindless thralls that gives them their form and shape. It's very possible that Carbuncle is actually a primal. Even if it is a familiar, it's closer related to the summoner egi's.

If SE wants it to happen it can. The summoning of egis isn't "exactly" like the past summoners. It's infused with the teachings of today's summoning. Example of what SE Could do:

Lilly senses that she has found a new strength within her, but can't quite understand it, like words in her soul that won't form. You ask the nymians what this could mean. Obviously he has no idea. He suggests strengthening your bonds with Lilly, by entering her aetheric core with your mind. Inside you fight dark sprites with either Eos or Selene as NPcs (summoning them doesn't work, think permanent dissapate.) Finally after defeating them you see another fairy. Selene and Eos Touch the third fairy and become Lilly and you exit her aetheric core. You report to tonberry and he explains that your own aether had been strengthening lilly this entire time allowing her to harness another aspect (such as midday.)

Where there is a will and publishing/development control, there is a way.

Originally Posted by Aurelinaus

ANNNNNNND if that is the reason sch are only limited two pets then that absolutely holds no more water than a sock with a big fat hole in it. Dusk and dawn aren't the only two components of a day there's daybreak, dawn, day, midday, twilight, dusk, night, and midnight. Lore is not reason, at most not a very good one.

Its almost like you did not read the entire second paragraph of what i wrote.............

What I'd like to see:

- A Fairy Swap skill which gives a party boost depending on which fairy was summoned (Eos - natural health regen bonus, Selene - natural MP+TP regen bonus).
- HP or MP "bubble" spell which extends the max HP/MP pool
- "Reverse" Deployment tactics that draws all nearby shields into the target its cast on
- 100% crit chance for 5s, can be cast on others, single target/high cd
- Turns every shield into HP depending on the remaining shield potency, 15y