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    I would like to have solid The Feast teames in 4vs4 light party, because the carrying that some high ranked players do is something I cannot approve. What is your opinion about this?
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    Last edited by Daimera; 04-22-2016 at 04:38 AM. Reason: added 4vs4 light party

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daimera View Post
    I would like to have solid The Feast teames because the carrying that some high ranked players do is something I cannot approve. What is your opinion about this?
    Honestly I've seen the top 25 people derp more than the lower tier people. There's maybe 5 people on the top 100 that I can legitimately say are carrying their matches. This is all coming from primal btw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaveTheSunF1R3x View Post
    Honestly I've seen the top 25 people derp more than the lower tier people. There's maybe 5 people on the top 100 that I can legitimately say are carrying their matches. This is all coming from primal btw.
    What Daimera is talking about, assumingly, is people in The Feast Light Party que, high ranked players take in lower ranked players to increase the points they gain for each win. When you're a full team of silvers/golds you get ridiculously miniscule rating points, like 1s or 2s, for each win. But when you have say 1 or 2 silvers and the rest unranked or bronze, you get more points.

    In essence, higher ranked players are carrying low/unranked players to bronze-ish to get more points for themselves. Basically abusing the system is what I'd like to categorise it as.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astryoneus View Post
    What Daimera is talking about, assumingly, is people in The Feast Light Party que, high ranked players take in lower ranked players to increase the points they gain for each win. When you're a full team of silvers/golds you get ridiculously miniscule rating points, like 1s or 2s, for each win. But when you have say 1 or 2 silvers and the rest unranked or bronze, you get more points.

    In essence, higher ranked players are carrying low/unranked players to bronze-ish to get more points for themselves. Basically abusing the system is what I'd like to categorise it as.
    exactly and they are doing this again... *looks at the frog, looks up and down*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astryoneus View Post
    What Daimera is talking about, assumingly, is people in The Feast Light Party que, high ranked players take in lower ranked players to increase the points they gain for each win. When you're a full team of silvers/golds you get ridiculously miniscule rating points, like 1s or 2s, for each win. But when you have say 1 or 2 silvers and the rest unranked or bronze, you get more points.

    In essence, higher ranked players are carrying low/unranked players to bronze-ish to get more points for themselves. Basically abusing the system is what I'd like to categorise it as.
    Ah, alrighty. I honestly didn't even know this was a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaveTheSunF1R3x View Post
    Ah, alrighty. I honestly didn't even know this was a thing.
    That's probably because it's not. I mean, it's a thing, sure, but it's not really a big thing. Your party ranking and your individual rank level up separately from one another, so even if you exploit the system by bringing in a bronze player to your party matches it does absolutely nothing for your individual rank. You're still exploiting the system and boosting your party ranking, but in regards to your actual individual rank (the only one which can potentially reward you) it makes no difference. You wouldn't even notice this kind of thing happening unless you play a lot of party matches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
    That's probably because it's not. I mean, it's a thing, sure, but it's not really a big thing. Your party ranking and your individual rank level up separately from one another, so even if you exploit the system by bringing in a bronze player to your party matches it does absolutely nothing for your individual rank. You're still exploiting the system and boosting your party ranking, but in regards to your actual individual rank (the only one which can potentially reward you) it makes no difference. You wouldn't even notice this kind of thing happening unless you play a lot of party matches.
    Februs did you miss the message before 3.26 where they announced that Rank 4v4 (Light Party) is getting rewards?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur View Post
    Februs did you miss the message before 3.26 where they announced that Rank 4v4 (Light Party) is getting rewards?
    No ... but I think I may have mis-read it. To be honest, I kinda trimmed over that bit, because getting a party together for PvP on Diabolos had been like pulling teeth in the past, and my log time has been so low recently that it's not much of a consideration for me. I was under the impression that this was still in the works. I did not realize that it was already active.

    In one way it's good ... but in another way it's kind of bad that it's already being exploited ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Februs View Post
    That's probably because it's not...
    Maybe you can talk for the NA servers and data centers, but it's a thing on Chaos. Whether if it's big or not is irrelevant, it's a thing and it's not fair/respectful towards the people who play the mode fair and square. Also what is irrelevant is whether if you notice it or not, if it happens nonetheless.

    I don't know what you mean by "making no difference" in regards to your individual rank. It does. If you get 10 points each win when doing that VS a team full of silvers/golds getting 1 point for each win against an unranked team. You're passing others and competing for the first place without actually competing with anyone decent. There's no party ranking anyway, everyone has their individual rank so I don't quite understand what you mean by saying "boosting your party rank".

    The few "top" players on Chaos are doing this and getting way ahead in points without actually working for it by exploiting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astryoneus View Post
    I don't know what you mean by "making no difference" in regards to your individual rank.
    Nope. I made a mistake. I wasn't aware that the Party Ranking rewards were already active. I thought that was still coming. That said, I am still under the impression that your solo rank and party rank are distinct ... because that's what it says on all of the official Feast sites.

    What I meant about individual rank vs party rank was this:
    Each person will be given an individual rating and a four-person party rating, which will fluctuate independently of one another.
    That's taken straight from the 3.2 patch notes and has identical wording on the Feast Loadstone page.. Even the official rankings page shows divides ranks by solo vs party. Has this changed as well? Because, if so, they need to update their official loadstone page to reflect that change.
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