Thread: 3.2 PvP: Feast Game Mode Discussion Thread.

Oh yeah I didn't mean that it's not possible to do it and do some nice action with that. But for example I just had a drk who jumped in melee with 10 stacks at 1min of the end. Like wth? If you want to take 10 stacks you need to perfectly know what you have to do, which is not the case in 99%.

Originally Posted by Nidelia

Oh yeah I didn't mean that it's not possible to do it and do some nice action with that. But for example I just had a drk who jumped in melee with 10 stacks at 1min of the end. Like wth? If you want to take 10 stacks you need to perfectly know what you have to do, which is not the case in 99%.

Oh yeah, that's especially dumb for two reasons:

A. DRK is ass in The Feast
B. WHERE ARE MY DEFENSIVE COOLDOWNS?!

lol

EDIT: Man, today has been a really bad day for me in The Feast. I won 2 matches, then lost 10 in a row because they kept putting me with the same new/inexperienced/noob players. Just a brief summary of how my matches went:

A. I ran into the #1 player on Primal multiple times and his team won every time we played (surprise surprise)

B. This new DRG player somehow kept getting into my party and he would never focus on the target I marked, thus splitting our DPS and causing us to lose since we couldn't kill anyone

C. I somehow managed to get partied up with the #1 player on Primal, buuuuuuuuut... Just when I thought our win was secure, I noticed we had that shitty DRG and of course, we lost

D. Ran into a BLM a few times that wanted to do their own thing the entire match and undermine my plan whenever he could, telling people to do something else, which undoubtedly caused confusion and we lost due to lack of coordination

E. Queued up with that same BLM who actually had a macro that would automatically apply a marker over the enemy's head he was attacking, which caused my marker to disappear or swap to a different enemy (between their healer, who I wanted us to kill, and the MNK, who he was only focusing on) and confused the other DPS, so we were never able to kill either target. Worst part about all of this though was he told me "it's just a macro, chill" after I told him to stop putting the marker on a different target...

F. I began noticing familiar names on enemy teams... After looking over the stream, it turns out that most of the people I was getting put up against were in the top 5 or 10 while 99% of my party members were in the top 50 or lower (this is while I have the #9 spot on Primal right now, but naturally... after today, that rank is gone for sure). Now, I'm not saying rank always determines skill here, but it's very disheartening when you're a silver that keeps getting paired up with unranked or bronze guys that don't know their ass from their elbow in PvP or how to play the game in general, so the matchmaking starts to feel a bit unfair at that point

G. On my 12th match, I got queued up with 7 other new players (not even bronze yet). I knew it was a bad sign when I had to tell them to grab the defense kit since everyone just ran by it. Unfortunately... It got worse. Our SMN had already picked up the offense kit, so he ran back to pick up the defense kit too, instead of letting one of the others get it. We lost our MNK and healer within the first few seconds, but hey... At least he survived for a little longer and that's good, right? Ugh...

So can I rant about Dark Knight again yet?

Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Tar Pit should now function as a self-preservation technique, and Carnal Chill as a way to quickly lower the damage dealing capabilities of opponents. Also, while Carnal Chill’s duration has been shortened, recast times for these abilities have been reduced, which should enable players to employ them more effectively. These changes are intended to make dark knight function as a tank that can protect himself and his allies through debuffs and health absorption.

Because this isn't good enough. The self heal on Tar Pit, I mean. It still doesn't function like that, why? Because it's a drain, it converts damage dealt into HP, which means its a self heal that can be entirely blocked. In an ideal situation, it heals ~1k per target, and some smart placement can usually result in that meaning 3k (more if boxes/pets are involved). Since it's a drain though, a shield can completely and utterly derail that. You need a self heal in an emergency, if you have to worry about clearing everyones shield first (and if you're against a Astrologian just say goodnight) then it's not going to do anything in time. Tar Pit isn't a self-preservation technique, it's an additional piece of burst (a nice one at that), the healing effect continues to be meaningless though. It's nice when you can get 4k HP out of it, but that is almost certainly never going to be when you need it...

You cannot block Clemency (though you can prevent it going off). You cannot block Equilibrium or Second Wind. You can block all of Dark Knights "self-preservation techniques", and while you can Stun/Silence Clemency (and technically Equilibrium/Second Wind, though if we're going down that path you can stun lock a Dark Knight to keep them doing anything...), Dark Knight loses a cooldown/MP on techniques which can do nothing if blocked by a shield. It's a really shitty deal for a Job that's already in a shitty place... Can we adjust how shields and drain effects interact? If I deal X damage and that's absorbed by someones shield, OK I dealt 0 damage to that person, but I still dealt X damage to their shield, no? Shouldn't I still get a return on that? Health absorption is just a really shitty mechanic for how this game currently works...

Also, despite what I said previously, that Dark Arts change does result in greater MP drain. I can fit a Dark Arts Dark Passenger into my burst now, without it costing me a Dark Arts Souleater/Carve and Spit due to the recast. As such, MP is an issue. Either give me Manadraw instead of Enliven, or reduce the cost of most/all of Dark Knights stuff in PvP. Our DPS is entirely dependent on that MP pool, and Blood Price is almost completely worthless in PvP. Either reduce the cost of Dark Arts or give me some better form of MP recovery.

I'm also going to default back to a previous suggestion, because while the Carnal Chill adjustment is wonderful, I still don't think that's enough support when compared to what Paladin and Warrior have to offer... Let me spend 20% of my HP to restore a party members HP, perhaps with the additional effect of a Vengeance style buff for whoever I heal? That way I can help out my healer and hopefully draw attention away from them. Doesn't have to be a Vengeance style buff if we're serious about that "support through debuffs" concept, could heal a target and do an AoE debuff on targets around them, or inflict a debuff on anyone who hits them for a brief period. I can't see this being too problematic, Warrior has Thrill of War and Paladin has Clemency, both of which heal themselves and others, this would heal someone and do something extra at the cost of my HP.

I think I mentioned this earlier, but didn't really elaborate on it, but change Parry (and Block?) too. I know a general change is coming to that eventually anyway, but given how hectic PvP is compared to PvE, it isn't really possible to rely on Parry at all given you need to be facing the target attacking you. As such, remove that for PvP. Let us Parry attacks from our rear or flank. Then Reprisal and Low Blows might see some use, and I'm sticking to that "Let Reprisal and Low Blows trigger from dodges as well" suggestion. Ether that or change Dark Arts Dark Dance to "100% chance to Parry next attack", because even though I'd rather dodge, with how Reprisal and Low Blows work currently, I'd rather Parry. A 15s Blind and 20s +20% Evasion is a nice combo, just a shame Reprisal and Low Blows are tied solely to Parry when I have a fairly nice dodge rate...