Thread: 3.2 PvP: Feast Game Mode Discussion Thread.

Originally Posted by Februs

As for Ranking rewards being separated by jobs, how would you guys propose this be done?

Ideally I'd like to see something on the scale of the old Hamlet Defense system;

Kills +
Assists +
Deaths -
Stuns + (actual Stuns, where you interrupt something, this can be measured in PvE for Limit Break building, no reason it can't be here)
Stuns - (just building Stun resist, stop it FFS, might be a bit iffy when it comes to non-casters though)
Sleep/Bind +
Breaking Sleep/Bind -
Collecting Medals +
Holding Medals for X time +
Losing X Medals -

Stuff like that, obviously I'm not going to work exact values in there, but you get the idea. All of that is tallied, all completely transparently so you can look at it and go "Oh, I get points for using Sleep? Better start using Sleep then", then the final result acts as either a bonus or multiplier. Did really well but just got outplayed in the end? That's less punishing than straight up sucking from the start. Your team won, but all you did was Hide in the corner with Medals or die a lot? Hopefully you'll lose rating. That's one reason why I'd want a multiplier, if you end up getting a negative score because you sucked, but your team still carries you through, that multiplier increases your negative score. Being carried actively harms your rating that way...

IMO, this is the kind of system that would be ideal for rating. Does it make it easier to advance? Probably, so what though? It makes it easier for everyone. The only issue is if you just slapped that on the current season. Paladins and Black Mages would have an obvious advantage since they can do a lot of Stun and Sleep/Bind respectively. That's why I'd prefer Job based rankings. You can have a system like this then, because it doesn't matter if Paladins earn more because they have Stun on GCD, Paladins are fighting each other for the #1 spot, not the entire data center.

Originally Posted by Dimitrii

Ranking by roles I think would dampen this noticeably and overall make the rankings more meaningful than if you did it by jobs.

I really don't think they should do ranking by roles... All that will do is highlight how utterly imbalanced certain Jobs are... If they can balance everything then great, but part of the reason I'd suggest Job based rankings is that it lets you postpone that. Warrior versus Dark Knight is pretty much unfair, but Dark Knight versus Dark Knight is entirely balanced.

Originally Posted by Dimitrii

Unless you are gonna slash it to something like ranking it as the top 5 for each job.

Kinda? Right now we have the top 100 getting gear, the top 10 getting a crown, and the top 1 getting a piece of worthless furniture.

Switch that to Job based rankings, and I'd say the top 100 get a worthless piece of furniture (meaning 1,300 per data center), because that wont be hard at all. The top 10 get the gear (130 per data center, close to the current 100), while the top 1 gets something else. Right now that would be the crown, in future I'd suggest something like a unique weapon. The most balanced way to work it I guess would be for the top 8 to get the gear? That would mean 104 sets of gear going out. Top 5 would only result in 65 sets of gear.

It depends on how many people actually play a given Job... Do we actually have those numbers? Obviously it can be adjusted, but even something like the top 10 Dark Knights doesn't seem to diminish the gear that much IMO... We'd go from 100 sets of that gear, to 130, and that isn't considering the possibility of tailoring the gear for specific Jobs/roles like they've done for solo/party. Getting a trophy would be incredibly easy, but is that a reward anyone particularly cares about?

Yes it would be easier to get the gear by jumping on something like Dark Knight, but how many others would have that idea? We'd see the rankings for day one, perhaps a lot of Warriors and only 5 Dark Knights, so people switch over for that low hanging fruit, then suddenly we've got a lot more Dark Knights. The community in general would also be completely aware of this kind of meta, if you see someone in the Dark Knight specific coat for the top 10, and you know only 9 people even bothered with Dark Knight on your data center, you're not going to take that seriously. Meanwhile if you see a Warrior with the #1 Great Axe equipped, and you know there were over 100 Warriors fighting for that? Yeah...