Thread: 3.2 PvP: Feast Game Mode Discussion Thread.

Why not go after DRK's magic defense gimmick, like Void Knight from Rift?

Originally Posted by fm_fenrir

Why not go after DRK's magic defense gimmick, like Void Knight from Rift?

That would be functionally useless half the time... There are only really two Jobs that would have any real benefit to out of ten... Granted, most Jobs have a few magic based attacks, and healers might drop the odd AoE, but that's not consistent enough to work IMO. If a Black Mage starts casting on me, I'll pop Dark Mind assuming I'll be hit with more casts. If a White Mage just hit me with Assize? Already missed my chance to use Dark Mind...

Is it even really fair to call magic defense Dark Knights gimmick? OK, we have Dark Mind and Delirium, but that's it... Does two skills, one of which is replaced by Monk, really constitute a gimmick? It's the only thing it has over Warrior or Paladin, sure, but I'd say Dark Knight is much more focused on DPS and Parry, both things Warrior outclasses it on... Other than that, self-healing is where Dark Knight really shines, Grit Souleater is essentially a better version of Inner Beast and DA Abyssal Drain is absolutely amazing... In PvE... In PvP Dark Knights biggest strength is a complete joke, DA Abyssal Drain is garbage worse than Paladin Cure (had its place in Frontlines, though) and Grit Souleater requires Grit, which is bad (losing Blood Weapon is just horrible in so many ways), and the wind-up on it is too long... Tar Pit is a complete and utter joke, I honestly don't know what compelled the developers to make it so weak considering its on a cooldown... That 20~40% damage dealt to HP should be 200~400% if anything... Yes that's an exaggeration, but Tar Pit is stupid... Sole Survivor + Mercy Stroke is amazing, though far from reliable and rarely something I'll get off when I really need it... I honestly find it more useful for getting MP back than as a self-heal...

Other than that, there is the evasion aspect of the Job, DA Dark Passenger + DA Dark Dance... That's probably the only thing Dark Knight can bring from PvE that actually still works reliably in PvP, though reliable and evasion are not words that go hand in hand... It really is more of a Parry/Evasion tank, rather than magic one... Why we don't have Raw Intuition when we have Reprisal is beyond me... Still, that's a massive 4420MP sunk into maybe dodging some attacks... Something I'd take easier if a large portion my MP recovery wasn't based on taking hits... Christ... For that MP Paladin can pop a massive 2400 potency heal on themselves (and I'm ignoring Divine Veil because this post is already making me put the salt into Salted Earth again...), or 2400 on a party member and 1200 on themselves... I can maybe cause some dodging for 20 seconds... OK Dark Knight has a much easier time recovering MP, but that's still an insane difference...

Originally Posted by Nalien

That would be functionally useless half the time... There are only really two Jobs that would have any real benefit to out of ten... Granted, most Jobs have a few magic based attacks, and healers might drop the odd AoE, but that's not consistent enough to work IMO. If a Black Mage starts casting on me, I'll pop Dark Mind assuming I'll be hit with more casts. If a White Mage just hit me with Assize? Already missed my chance to use Dark Mind...

Might want to omit the healer part because there's no cleric stance.

Ideally for SMN I'd like for it to get Tri-disaster to be restored to 12 sec bind. And I find the nerf to their skills inadequate, the complaining has always been "the SMN burst happens too fast and is too easy to execute", which was answered with a senseless nerf to Painflare, Energey Drain and Deathflare. Like, have you ever seen the burst of a DRG, a MCH or a BRD? All 3 have pretty much (when played by people who actually know how to play these) a burst which is not only even more potent but, for DRG, even longer. The only advantage of the SMN burst being that it could be executed every 60 sec (if not halted by a MNK...). Now I dislike being paired with SMNs in 4vs 4 because I find their killing capabilities unreliable. The solution to their burst was imo to simply extend the pvp cooldown of Tri-Disaster to say, 90 sec and give a shared 3-5 sec GCD to all Aetherflow skills (while respecting the normal CD of each). This would have put SMN on a fairer burst page.

Greetings,

During the Japanese PvP stream "Adrenaline Rush TV," Yoshida explained that morale won't take effect inside of the Feast and that the dev. team is having trouble figuring out how they should move forward with the attribute. They also considered removing it entirely. The dev. team is continuing to look into it with thoughts such as making it so morale doesn't directly make players stronger, but does strengthen them in a different matter.

That said, we would like to hear your comments and suggestions regarding morale so the dev. team can use them as reference.

Also, we would like to gather any feedback you may have after trying out the changes made in Patch 3.25, so please be sure to send them in as well!

Originally Posted by Zhexos

Greetings

Thanks! I'm glad to hear that this is something that is being looked into.

Original application of Morale was gating for new players, and I understand why the Devs made it irrelevant. Options I've thought of(possibly broken though)

1) Increases Potency/effects of PVP abilities Only.
2) While not increasing damage, still increasing damage reduction from opponent player damage like original inception(make it left side gear only; drop from weapons)
3) Have a scaling reward system similar to the Jumbo Cactpot ticket sales; set the lowest bonus at the amount of Morale an i180 accessory gives with the max being a full set of i205. the bonuses could be something like; ex. 34 Morale: 5% base HP increase. 134 Morale: Stuns/Sleeps/Binds increased by 1 sec. 200 Morale: PVP cooldowns decreased by 10 seconds. 300 Morale: PVP ability potencies increased by 50. Make the bonuses cumulative.
4) Increase chance of Fenrir drop(ok that's a joke, I'm just out of ideas at the moment xD)


If option 2 were applied, Interrupt HP standard would need to be lowered, say 10%. currently the damage threshold to interrupt casting is reserved for buffed hits, melee combo finishers at the moment, increased defense from morale would make it unattainable.

Also, remove the 10 Lore/20 Eso win or lose, and implement 20 Lore/40 Eso for the winning team to avoid AFK PVP; Win/Loss pvp xp and wolf marks are fine where they are though.