Thread: 3.2 PvP: Feast Game Mode Discussion Thread.

Originally Posted by Vice-Taicho

Mnk vs sch ...please do something that match up is retarded especially in 4vs4.Mnk shut down every option you have.

Everytime I punch off aetherflow, I know in my heart thats scholar is gonna fall behind.

Originally Posted by Synestra

Those PvP stat things are imo totally useless, i rather take skill upgrades as those have alot larger impact that few stat points. If healers want VIT then its just better to use one or two Fendings instead of wasting points in those PvP VIT traits.

Some traits are functionally useless though. Enliven isn't even touched on my bar now that TP isnt used for sprint. Damage traits on abilities like stun gun, blast arrow and retrogradiation are nigh useless (due to damage penalty and no cleric stance respectively). In line with some changes, I feel that they really need to make adjustments to some PvP abilties now, and this was the case even before the feast (such as mana draw on MCH)

I'm fairly sure the majority of people talking shit just have no idea what certain Jobs are capable of... Being told off because I was meant to single handily keep the Astrologian from casting spells? It's like people aren't aware Astrologian has instant casts or that Dark Knight has one Stun and that's it... People also seem to be getting stuck on a single strategy, despite party composition being what should dictate that... I can terrorize an Astrologian as Dark Knight, but they're still going to get enough healing off to prevent kills (unless our DPS is amazing, which they rarely are). It simply isn't going to work to just go "tank focus healer" in such a situation, not unless their healer is utter rubbish, we'd be much better off changing strategy based on what Jobs we have and what we're up against, but nope, always just "tank focus healer" despite the fact that I'm not a bleedin' Paladin so I can't Stun lock the Astrologian while DPS melt each other... Then you have people just straight up ignoring the the defense kit, both not opening ours and focusing the enemy who popped theirs...

I really wish they'd force people into the 8v8 mode... So many utter idiots who don't know what they're doing going into ranked and costing people rating... I had a bleedin' healer out right admit at the start that they're going to suck, and I was just completely dumbfounded... Why are you queuing ranked if you know you suck? Go practice somewhere we're you're not costing teammates their rating FFS...

Originally Posted by Nalien

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In my experience DPS are better at harassing AST's than DRK. DRK isn't very good at harassing anything that instant casts. But that's not a weakness in the strategy it's a weakness in the job. PLD/WAR have no trouble holding an AST long enough to prevent healing to a single DPS while it gets bursted in 2-3 seconds.

Maybe if Syphon actually stole MP from them it would be a better job. DRK isn' by any means weak but its harass is only really usable on SCH/WHM. Ast really doesn't have any counters other than SMN, and SMN counters everything except monk.

Originally Posted by Cynric

In my experience DPS are better at harassing AST's than DRK. DRK isn't very good at harassing anything that instant casts. But that's not a weakness in the strategy it's a weakness in the job. PLD/WAR have no trouble holding an AST long enough to prevent healing to a single DPS while it gets bursted in 2-3 seconds.

There is nothing wrong with the strategy, I'm complaining about how people are blindly following it. You don't just say "tank focus healer" when your tank simply isn't equipped to take on their healer. It's like saying "always do rock in rock, paper, scissors", when you know your opponent is someone who always does paper... People are just blindly following that strategy and refusing to deviate from it at all, despite the fact that is simply does not work all the time... Party composition should dictate your strategy, not just sticking to some generalized order... I've yet to find a single group that actually listened to me when I said "Dark Knight cannot counter Astrologian well", they're all just intent on sticking to having the tank harass healer, despite that not being a fool-proof strategy because party composition is key in this... Then they complain at me because the Astrologian could get heals through... What the hell do they expect? I tell them Dark Knight has one Stun and Astrologian has instant casts, that a Monk would be better off countering them or we'd be better off melting them from the start, but people just out right refuse to listen, even when the enemy ranged DPS has the defense kit... It's absurd... I mean props to people actually going in with a strategy, but blindly following it despite common sense is almost as bad as just going in and not focusing at all...