Thread: 3.2 PvP: Feast Game Mode Discussion Thread.

Originally Posted by Teuciont

4 on 4 - Light Party
I'm going to guess the lack of rewards for ranked parties is due to the prevalence of win trading in other competitive aspects of the game thus far. One popular method I've seen to win trade in XIV has been to queue up on a non prominent language, such as GE or FR on EN servers, at odd times, to ensure you go against who you plan to go against. My question then, is what is the point of the language options now that there are very clear EN|FR/GE|JP servers? Why not remove the language options and cut down on the possibility of win trading

This. If you're queuing 4v4 Light Party then the language options are irrelevant; you aren't there to talk to the opponents anyway. Let French people fight Japanese people and so on. All that language restrictions for opponents do is penalise anyone with an unusual setting as it delays their queue time and allows win trading via a known exploit in the matching. It's silly. Other possibilities to reduce win trading would be logic to avoid the same people being matched up frequently, score/rank resets for anyone found to be doing it and/or diminishing returns from fighting the same people repeatedly (so people who play late at night can still progress, just slowly). We don't want anyone win trading, but we want to be able to play and compete.

Blocking 4v4 premades from rewards entirely sucks - day one of the new patch and my 4v4 couldn't get into a single match on Gaia. Nobody else even wanted to bother queueing late at night when the solo queue is where you progress.

I can't play with my buddies in FL because of GC restrictions. I can't play with them in WD because it never pops on Gaia at the time we play. I finally get a chance to introduce them to the gameplay mode I like, only to find that I still can't because 8v8 is for pairs only, 4v4 party gets no rewards (so people don't want to queue it) and 1v1 goes back to the same problem they have learning PVP alone on the enemy side via FL. Argh.

My friends are shy. They're casuals. They're not fluent linguists. They want to play and compete, and work up the ranks, but forcing them to do so and learn the ropes under very strict conditions (and in a language they struggle with) really, really kills PVP for them as casual players. And killing PVP for casuals kills it for people like me too because the queues end up so long I can never get in. Please, please be friendlier to these casual PVPers who are just starting out. Let them play with friends, in a way where they get encouraged and rewarded for trying their best and discover the fun of real teamwork.

Edit: It would actually be kinda fun to have an 'undersized party' mode for The Feast where you can join to train with friends too nervous to jump straight in with the chaos of 8v8 or the stress of rankings. Obviously no rewards would be given, but the level 50 dummies in WD Pier can only help so much. Or if it was out in the open world it would give us something productive to do while waiting for the wretched 4v4 queue to pop.

Originally Posted by Serilda

It would actually be kinda fun to have an 'undersized party' mode for The Feast where you can join to train with friends too nervous to jump straight in with the chaos of 8v8 or the stress of rankings. Obviously no rewards would be given, but the level 50 dummies in WD Pier can only help so much. Or if it was out in the open world it would give us something productive to do while waiting for the wretched 4v4 queue to pop.

Private matches are a must, not just for practice, but just for fun with your friends.

Originally Posted by NinjaDante

the imbalance between astrologian and other healers is ridiculous aspected benefic is a bit OP especially when you consider that a monk can completely shut down a scholar by removing their aetherflow

I don't agree with this. The biggest weakness AST have is getting CCed and Focused while my party are debuffed.


If your chasing them around and they are spamming aspected benefic on themselves and another dps is attacking their teammate it is very hard for most Astrologians to keep up heals, especially if Essential Dignity or Synastry are on cooldown.

This becomes even more of a problem for the AST if a Summoner is left to play around. If a Summoner successfully spreads dots around with bane it becomes extremely hard for an AST to keep up healing UNLESS they are not the focus or CCed. If you spread DoTs around and then focus/CC the AST they will be forced to Run around and ASP Beni, and as you burst them down (Or lock them down with sleep) the DoTs are eating away at the whole party.

This is also the main weakness of Noct Sect if your just running around spamming Noct buffed Aspect on yourself while your party are slowly dying to DoTs then its going to be extremely hard to make any kind of recovery especially since ASP Beni is so taxing on MP.

These random pugs #healersfault

Blm/smn left to free cast #healersfault

Someone dies when they have full focus, pop b4b and then proceed to run out of the healers sight #healerfaults

The dps have 0 focus and we lose due to awful dps #healersfault

Fkn beginning to hate these pugs.

Ended my night 30/40, funny thing 8 out of 10 losts I had a blm in group , only won 1 game with a blm on group.

Originally Posted by Koltik

All this talk about matchmaking.

Let me just remind everyone what happened to WD when they implemented rank matching. It died.

In the perfect world we have enough of a population for match making to work and not kill queues, but be careful what you wish for. If doing this means increasing queue times from 1-3 minutes to 5-45 minutes, no thanks.

YEP this is correct matchmaking via PVP rank is what ultimately killed The Fold.
When The fold was first introduced there were no que restrictions via PVP Rank, but then people started to complain that they were getting matched up with people that were higher rank then them, keep in mind this was in a time when rank 0 players didn't have access to all pvp skills so they had to unlock them by ranking up.


Squarenix changed how the Duty finder handled matchmaking and it caused quetimes to become extremely long. This was because The Fold matches up via PVP Rank Total. For Example.

If you are rank 0(Bard) and you que up and the Duty finder Matches you with aRank 1(Paladin), rank 23(Scholar) and a rank 50(Monk).
The Rank total of this 74. You will end up in que until another group of around 64->84 are matched.

(This is also how win traders trade wins in The Fold(Light Party) btw they just make two teams that are around the same Total rank and then enjoy instant ques over and over and over...All they need to do is make sure they are in a Language setting that isn't used much like [D] )

If you are rank 0->10 the odds of getting into a game are very low unless more players around the same rank as you que.

Originally Posted by Invalid_Name

Realistically, we don't have the kind of player base to support a strong matchmaking system. People are going to bow out once they get their minion or mount. Players will stop queuing once they get bored or frustrated with the feast(especially with the current reward system). The amount of players participating will be lower in a few months.
The ultimate goal is to have a system that is rewarding & fun for everyone. You want to encourage new players to participate. You want to reward players that have been putting in time & effort. You want a game that isn't going to die solely because of its own mechanics. The difficult part comes in balancing that. Having someone get to diamond tier with a 25% win rate is silly but its also necessary for players to feel like they're getting somewhere if they're doing decently.

I think the biggest problem is people have disillusions about how big the PvP community is and seemingly forgetting how Frontlines (to a extent) drew in a casual play base whereas Feast will probably not (or outside a month or two).

The system is almost set up to fail from the beginning.