Retainers/inventory space

[Niwashi]

1/ "but if you do that the servers will explode!!!!"
2/ "this game is already sooo generous with inventory room"
3/ PS3 limitations.

Pick one. Or three.

server issues:
If the expense of storage and bandwidth of retrieval is making them so stingy about inventory space, then they should be focusing on more efficient systems.

The armoire is extremely space efficient, because it only stores a single bit (a yes/no of whether we do or do not have the item) for each thing it can hold. A glamour database could do the same. And if (again like the armoire) it were the type of feature where you go somewhere and interact with something to bring it up, then it's not tying up memory space with the "always available" requirements of our regular inventory.

A dedicated crafting mat storage system wouldn't need to remember anything except stack sizes (figuring a couple bytes for the number of NQ and another couple bytes for the number of HQ, it would only take about 7kb per character to store all 1760 crafting mats in the game.) But to obtain that efficiency, it would have to hold all crafting mats. Having a limited number of slots and letting us choose which mats to store there would mean having to store both an item id and the stack size for each slot. That alone would likely triple (or more) the space per item, even without also adding all the additional information that a more generalized item slot (like inventory or retainer inventory) can need.

The same holds true of a tackle box. It would only need a stack size for each type of bait, so could be done much more efficiently than keeping them as individual items. (And again, it could be set up for the list of baits to only remain in memory while we're fishing or interacting with it rather than the always available rules of regular inventory.)

Retainers (or our own inventory) are versatile in being able to hold any type of item, but in exchange for that they're not nearly as efficient.


plenty of space already
That might actually be true for someone who doesn't craft, doesn't collect glamour gear, and doesn't fish. (Or, if they do any of them, does so only to a very limited extent.)
But having to curtail really major sections of the game like that eliminates the justification that extra retainers are a bonus luxury feature that justifies an extra cost. I'm barely into the game's original endgame and still a long way off from its current endgame, and I've already had to resort to getting a third retainer, and will soon have to extend that to a fourth, just to be able to continue utilizing all the game's classes. In a subscription based game, the subscription should give us access to all the game's basic features. This one doesn't.


PS3 limitations
This might affect the UI and how we interact with these systems, but doesn't impact the total amount of information stored, because our client system only needs to hold what we're interacting with at the moment, not everything that exists for our character.

As an example, if dealing with all crafting mats in the game at once would be too difficult to manage (alongside everything else going on) on a PS3's limited memory, then maybe when we go to the crafting mat warehouse (or whatever it is), we ask something like "show me all cloth items I have" or "show me all stone items I have" instead of getting a list of all our crafting mats at once. So long as we can move any of the crafting materials we have in inventory into the system regardless of category (which the client shouldn't have a problem with - it's holding inventory anyway), then having to retrieve mats from storage on a per-category basis wouldn't be too difficult (or no worse than having to both store and retrieve items per retainer).


summary
While we've seen all these reasons cited by people trying to justify the lack of space, none of them really hold up.

[Reaperking386]

Square is not having a problem with your $23.00 a month.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

I think the better request would be to allow the Armoire to hold one of everything that can be equipped. Dye after you glamour.

[BigTough]

I would like to start more jobs but the way it is just makes it seem like way too much of a hassle, they make something difficult yet possible and just stick us with that. It's B.S for us customers that pay this much every 3-6 months, we shouldn't just allow them to sit comfortably while we struggle to play a game.

[Breezelyn]

I'm just starting to see why people are getting the additional retainers for crafting. I have a retainer full of my gear I want to use as glamour or other classes. My other one is packed full of crafting materials, but it still isn't enough space. I refuse to buy more retainers. My 15 dollar sub is enough. >->

LF more free inventory please. But oh right, "server limitations". lol.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I'm just starting to see why people are getting the additional retainers for crafting. I have a retainer full of my gear I want to use as glamour or other classes. My other one is packed full of crafting materials, but it still isn't enough space. I refuse to buy more retainers. My 15 dollar sub is enough. >->

LF more free inventory please. But oh right, "server limitations". lol.

Honestly, much as it may annoy, paying for a retainer or two is worth doing if you intent to get involved with crafting. Not only for the inventory space, but you can send them on ventures. Four of them means they're saving you a ton of time every hour.

[BlatantPyre]

Um...I hope I'm not ratting myself out here, but uh...I use alts. It's a pain, to be sure, but...I have 10 retainers for one character (my crafter)...and I'm not paying for a single one. I use the fc chest to trade between characters. Not sure if that helps, at least it might till SE throws us a bone on this, it is tedious as all get out without a little planning and forethought, but...there's my two cents.

Otherwise, yeah, a third retainer would go a long way.

[Callback]

Um...I hope I'm not ratting myself out here, but uh...I use alts. It's a pain, to be sure, but...I have 10 retainers for one character (my crafter)...and I'm not paying for a single one. I use the fc chest to trade between characters. Not sure if that helps, at least it might till SE throws us a bone on this, it is tedious as all get out without a little planning and forethought, but...there's my two cents.

Otherwise, yeah, a third retainer would go a long way.

You still pay an extra $3 a month to have those alts.

[AnimaAnimus]

You still pay an extra $3 a month to have those alts.

Which is better than $16 total for 8 extra retainers, and if he is legacy he isn't paying a thing.

But if you really wanna hold more on your retainers, put things up on the market for 99,999,999, that's 20 extra slots of storage per retainer

[Callback]

Which is better than $16 total for 8 extra retainers, and if he is legacy he isn't paying a thing.

But if you really wanna hold more on your retainers, put things up on the market for 99,999,999, that's 20 extra slots of storage per retainer

There's no listing fee to do that? By the same logic I could mail to an abandoned account and use the retrieve feature as well.