Removing Ranks for newer gear.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

It is very easy to rank up now. I joined the Immortal Flames 11/19/2015 and I hit rank 50 on 1/08/2016. That is 50 days to go from rank 0 to rank 50.

Do your roulette, you get an extra 600 EXP (basically a free win) regardless of what place you come in. You're on the Aether Data Center which has weekly events (Friday Night Wolves' Den and Saturday Night Secure) so it's very easy to fill out your challenge log. If you put in a little bit of effort, they are literally spoon feeding you the EXP.

You are not going to find any sympathy here. You have to earn your rewards and ranks. Raiders are not spoon fed gear either, they actually have to clear the content (sometimes repeatedly) for loot, they don't just walk into A3S wipe in the add phase and obtain rewards because "Team Living Liquid" won, because you can do that in PvP for about FL 700 games and hit rank 50.

I can't even find you on xiv-pvp.com nor in Balmung's Maelstrom Weekly or Monthly Frontline Standings, so I'm going to assume that even now you still don't participate in PvP. You seem very keen to complain about something that you have very little experience in and very interest in doing. I don't understand why you have PvP included in your signature if this is the case.

That has nothing to do with PvP. Raiders can wear their gear as soon as they get it.

[Ashkendor]

That has nothing to do with PvP. Raiders can wear their gear as soon as they get it.

If it even drops, or once you save up enough tokens for it. But if you don't win you get nothing, unlike in PvP.

[Selli]

That has nothing to do with PvP. Raiders can wear their gear as soon as they get it.

Okay.

So you want people to walk into PvP, win one game and have 1mil Wolf Marks, ADS, every GC pony, and Field Commander? Because you seem to be claiming that's how easy the raiding scene is currently.

I hate to break this to you, but this is a game. If you got all the rewards at once there would be no replay value. That's why players are rewarded in different ways for different content. Wolf Marks and ranked gear are the PvP equivalent to tome PvE gear. You don't have to work very hard, but if you do it enough, you can eventually get the full set you want.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Okay.

So you want people to walk into PvP, win one game and have 1mil Wolf Marks, ADS, every GC pony, and Field Commander? Because you seem to be claiming that's how easy the raiding scene is currently.

I hate to break this to you, but this is a game. If you got all the rewards at once there would be no replay value. That's why players are rewarded in different ways for different content. Wolf Marks and ranked gear are the PvP equivalent to tome PvE gear. You don't have to work very hard, but if you do it enough, you can eventually get the full set you want.

You still have to work to get marks its not like your going to have a full suit just by doing one match.

[Selli]

Ok? You still have to work to get marks its not like your going to have a full suit just by doing one match. You still have to grind for it. So .. I don't see what your talking about? I just want to USE the gear I earned, Kthx.

You can use it when you earn rank 50. The point of the set is to be the BiS for level 60 arena content (which is coming out in 3.2), as it has done for every other PvP set. It exists to give you that edge in the arena because you earned experience via ranking. Kthx.

I also have multiple characters. So I have actually several pieces of gear on each one I would love to use.

So this is about glamor fodder? Lol. Why should you be allowed to have something for glamor if you have no interest in participating in the content? The PvP armor was added to be used by PvPers for PvP content.

I just wanted the system to BE designed like the rest of the game.

But it already is.

You come into the game. Brand new level 1 with no experience.
You come into PvP. Brand new rank 0 with no experience.

You do grind some mobs, do some quests, run some dungeons. Sure you die sometimes, but you get up and try again, you get gil and experience and you level up.
You grind some PvP, do some Frontlines, do some Wolves' Den. Sure, you die sometimes, but you get up and try again, win or lose, you gain experience and rank up.

You finally hit it, level cap, level 60. You can now buy armor and weapons with Tomes that you couldn't wear before this level.
You finally hit it, rank cap, ran 50. You can now wear armor and weapons that you bought with Marks that you couldn't wear before this rank.

Please actually read what I said before you say anything.

This is probably the most ironic thing you said 'cause you definitely didn't read all of my first post, lol.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

You can use it when you earn rank 50. The point of the set is to be the BiS for level 60 arena content (which is coming out in 3.2), as it has done for every other PvP set. It exists to give you that edge in the arena because you earned experience via ranking. Kthx.



So this is about glamor fodder? Lol. Why should you be allowed to have something for glamor if you have no interest in participating in the content? The PvP armor was added to be used by PvPers for PvP content.



But it already is.

You come into the game. Brand new level 1 with no experience.
You come into PvP. Brand new rank 0 with no experience.

You do grind some mobs, do some quests, run some dungeons. Sure you die sometimes, but you get up and try again, you get gil and experience and you level up.
You grind some PvP, do some Frontlines, do some Wolves' Den. Sure, you die sometimes, but you get up and try again, win or lose, you gain experience and rank up.

You finally hit it, level cap, level 60. You can now buy armor and weapons with Tomes that you couldn't wear before this level.
You finally hit it, rank cap, ran 50. You can now wear armor and weapons that you bought with Marks that you couldn't wear before this rank.



This is probably the most ironic thing you said 'cause you definitely didn't read all of my first post, lol.

If I didn't PvP at all I wouldn't have ANY of the gear in the first place.

[Kallistra]

Except, if I didn't PvP at all I wouldn't have ANY of the gear in the first place. Thus your subject matter fails completely.

If I didn't grind out items for a relic, I wouldn't have a relic.
If I didn't run Alex Savage I wouldn't have the i210 gear I have now.

[Selli]

Except, if I didn't PvP at all I wouldn't have ANY of the gear in the first place. Thus your subject matter fails completely.

Bolding and increasing the font size doesn't make your point valid at all. At this point I am just repeating myself, so I'm going to say this in a way I hope you understand.

Anyone can earn Wolf Marks, you just have to be present in a Wolves' Den or Frontlines match, but by doing the content again and again you gain experience. Not just EXP experience, but playstyle experience. If you have not earned enough of that playstyle experience, then you do not deserve the rewards given to the end game players of said content. This applies to both PvP and PvE.

With that, I am done with this thread, good luck with whatever you do. You'll need it.