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  1. #1
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    Trance_Axel's Avatar
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    Rel'axel Yakashe
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    Faerie
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    Thaumaturge Lv 50

    Random rule is broken, please fix

    Choosing three 1* cards, with a 2* and 3* = instant loss, more times than I can count, changing a game of skill and chance into constant chance of failure.

    Random, in and of itself, breaks the game, making it unplayable. Getting rid of it would be fore the better, but another method to fixing it could be to change rarity of cards it picks. If I got 60 cards, pull from 3* and 4*, small chance of 2*, even smaller chance of 5*. No 3-4 1* cards, please.

    Between Order, Chaos and Random, it makes a fun game involve both no skill, and no fun.
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    Why is it called "Emergency Maintenance" when its become so routine?

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    ServerCollaps's Avatar
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    Mikon Chozo
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    Alpha
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    Fisher Lv 100
    get better cards? I've full 2/3 star decks the most time, when I play random
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  3. #3
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    Jamillion's Avatar
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    Calypso Celeste
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    Lamia
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    Archer Lv 60
    I don't care for TT at all but I think it'd be interesting if the random rule bypassed the normal limitations on rare cards.
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  4. #4
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    deos's Avatar
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    Koromo Amae
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    Phoenix
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    Conjurer Lv 89
    how the random rule should work:
    always get one high card, 4 or 5 star
    get 2 cards as high as possible (3 star)
    the last 2 cards are completely random (1-3 star)

    how it currently works (99% of the time):
    pick 5 random 1 star cards

    this would give random cards but at usable levels, should make it fun instead of raging over getting only 1 and 2 star all the time
    (could only be a problem on reverse rule)
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    Last edited by deos; 01-08-2016 at 06:27 PM.

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    Drei Rael
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    Cerberus
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    Fisher Lv 80
    What I've noticed with random is that the more cards I've collected, the less I get 1-stars when random rule is in play.

    Of course every here and then I get a full 1-star deck and it just makes me laugh because it's funny. Since what are the chances for that to happen with 100+ cards when 22 of available cards are 1-stars, 26 2-stars and 33 3-stars? Not to mention 4- and 5-stars that can take one slot out of 5?
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    Saiah Brea
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    Moogle
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    Paladin Lv 70
    I like this idea. It would definetly make it more exciting to play with random because then you actually have a chance for a good hand. Right now playing with random you can either be guaranteed to lose or have a hand thats not entirely terrible.

    Although I did notice the opponents AI tends to drop if you have a bad hand. I notice a lot of dumb moves when I have 2 or more 1 stars. Even from difficult opponents.
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    Drei Rael
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saiah View Post
    Although I did notice the opponents AI tends to drop if you have a bad hand. I notice a lot of dumb moves when I have 2 or more 1 stars. Even from difficult opponents.
    That's called "the card bait" NPCs will more or less always try and get your cards and the lower your card's numbers are, the higher the chances are that the NPC will do something stupid and leave their high card open for the taking because of it. Helps a lot especially if you know their deck and which is their common trump card. That's the tactics I've used against many NPCs and gotten my Odin card for example, or baited Laniaitte to ruin her "plus" combos for making her "waste" the plus-trigger card(s).
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  8. #8
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    Xizzy Azenith
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    Zalera
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    Monk Lv 80
    While I agree that there is a good chunk of luck involved.

    To say it's "no skill" is ridiculous.



    Let's take lewena cuz she's random AND chaos, for example. There is like 2 versions of her. One that takes baits and exposes the weak side of her OP cards. And then there is the safe version of her where even if you expose a 1 in the wide open to take. She won't bite and purposely places her card elsewhere.

    After knowing this, you also realize 3 of her OP cards are weak on the right, and 3 weak on the bottom.

    So you'll want to fill up left mid left upper side with your weak cards with 2 exposed sides. She'll either bite and expose herself or leave your card alone. If she bites take her card then recapture the weak card later. I usually start mid left with weak card to expose 3 sides if possible.

    Anyways I can beat her like 1/4 times kind of consistently but I also have a lot of strong cards.
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  9. #9
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    Imai Blackren
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    Exodus
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    Ninja Lv 71
    Quote Originally Posted by Critical-Limit View Post
    While I agree that there is a good chunk of luck involved.

    To say it's "no skill" is ridiculous.

    SNIP

    Anyways I can beat her like 1/4 times kind of consistently but I also have a lot of strong cards.
    First, 1/4 of the time is not consistently. If you can't beat her 3/4 of the time no matter how good you are, it's not a skill based system. It's a luck based system in that if you have enough luck to get enough good cards and a good order to play them, you have a slight chance of winning if you know how to play TT.

    The majority of times I've played her, it has been completely impossible for me to beat her (I have 85 cards).
    What I mean be completely impossible is that I've been given cards that don't beat any sides of any some of her cards.
    Heck two or three games in a row, I didn't even get a two star.

    Random+Chaos is retarded and no matter how skillful you are there are a majority of games that you literally cannot win no matter how you had played against Lewena.
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    Last edited by FunkyBunch; 01-14-2016 at 01:14 AM.

  10. #10
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    Mikon Chozo
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    Alpha
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    Fisher Lv 100
    a npc who gives out tons of 600 mgp cards shouldnt have a 3/4 win rate anyway, it would be totally broken

    her reward is already quite high and further increasing it would just break all other gold saucer related stuff
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