A Recent Yoshi-P Post that probably needs to be read (Translation)

[Velhart]

You know almost every fighting game is just a clone of Street Fighter 2. Side scroll, use health bars on top, and use a combo system. So clearly, fighting games are just clones of SF2.

Using a system "that works" is not a clone. I will admit, RIFT used WoW's concepts and UI to the point it is borderline copyright infringement, but it was still good, before it got quickly boring. Sometimes taking successful and putting your unique spin to it is what makes something successful and not a clone.

That is just how a genre works. First person shooters come with the standard setup, changing anything beyond that, you really need to have a good idea backing you up. Resident Evil 4 revolutionized how 3rd person shooters work, now you see it's concepts put in a lot of games.

So with MMO's, WoW may not have been completely original, but it did set the standard on how to make a UI and content setup work, and other companies acknowledge that. What I like FFXIV will be doing is taking that template and making it special, and out there from the others.

That is how video games work folks, originality appears about once every blue moon.

[Minya]

Yay! This is why I love this community. I feel like SE really listens to what we have to say.

[Stanislaw]

Aaaand the official translation is up.

Check it out here (click for link):

[Davorok]

Furthermore, we’ll be implementing the following in patch 1.20:

Improving markets
⇒Purchase directly from the item search feature
⇒Transaction history of the 20 most recent items (to gauge the current market rate)
⇒Custom searches for specific item details


Implementation of a Player Search function
⇒Search for class, job, level, language, PT request, etc.

• Overhaul of class actions
• Primal Dark Moogle battle
• Implementation of achievement system
• Implementation of job system ***
  
• Addition of various instanced raids
• Primal Garuda battle
• Empire battle content
• Continuing to tweak the UI
• Crafting and gathering system adjustments
• New recipes and materials

We have many other tasks planned but please remember that everything here, every feature will become part of making version 2.0 what it is.

Has the Job System been moved up to v1.20 ?

Or is that a list of upcoming features that will be implemented by v2.0 (1.21, 1.22, etc.)?

[Stanislaw]

Has the Job System been moved up to v1.20 ?

Or is that a list of upcoming features that will be implemented by v2.0 (1.21, 1.22, etc.)?

The original Japanese text reads as "これからパッチ1.20以降で行う", which I would translate as "Patches 1.20 and beyond", so I think that's an outline of plans for things they will implement in both 1.20 AND patches beyond that.

So no, I don't think the Job System has been moved up to patch 1.20. It is stated in the interview Yoshi-P gave in this thread (click for link), which, translated, says:

In addition to further revisions to actions, we will implement the Job system in patch 1.21.

[Robbie]

they should just separate JP and NA community

Yes cause the whole world is just Japan and America.....

[Anapingofness]

Also this. People complaining about this becoming a "wow clone" are just silly. If making the ui more moddable, and making connecting with other players easier makes the game a "wow clone" then I guess every MMO to come out in the future will be a "wow clone."

Take a good hard look at the game. There is almost no parallels to WoW as it is right now. Implementing things like player finders or auction houses doesn't make it a WoW or FFXI clone. If it did, then the reliance on shouting in ul'dah to find groups would make this an EQ clone, and we all know people were tired of that game a decade ago.

This game is its own. Just as a reference, go play the free trial of wow, then come back to FFXIV. If you honestly think that XIV couldn't use some of the things existing in WoW, such as the responsive combat, useful and clean ui, and fluid economy, then I don't know what to say. At the end of the day, even if XIV was as smooth as wow gameplay wise, it would never be a WoW clone. It is simply too different from the ground up.

I say that this game is turning into a WoW clone because I have played WoW, for several years in fact (while playing FFXI as well). I mentioned before that in my opinion FFXI was the better game. Enough about me.

The reason people are saying this game is becoming a WoW clone is because of the parallels that SE didn't bother to even convert to their own for FFXIV. Much like WoW and their "giant bird mounts" /coughclearlynotinfluencedbyffatallcough
I mean it's downright shameless how much SE is taking from WoW.

Allow me to list examples. I'll be quoting Yoshida-san.

"Furthermore, we are offering a play experience unlike any other MMORPG by providing content that is only available to enjoy now. "
Hey kids, remember the temporary quests/content WoW had pre-Cataclysm where, for example, Sylvanas got Valkyries and players were able to reclaim Gnomeregan? You can't experience those things anymore in the game. Furthermore, this is not the first time WoW has done that. Also, WoW isn't the only game to do that unfortunately for FFXIV, WoW is the MMO leader right now so yeah, it will be seen as taking from WoW.

Moving on-

"Content Finder" = Dungeon Finder. In WoW it is also cross server. However, WoW's servers are not only language specific but type specific (PVP, PVE, and RP). The computer then forms groups based on each pool in addition to langauge specific servers.

"Language Servers (language servers and global servers)"- Granted WoW doesn't have both the way Yoshida-san wishes to make it here. However, having global servers is fairly pointless because people will simply go with language specific.

"PvP/Large Scale PvP"- ok PVP... a major component of WoW. I mean one doesn't think of WoW without thinking of PVP (however good/bad it may be. I don't care)
In WoW you have Arena which will be equivalent to the FFXIV Colosseum and then the "Large Scale PvP" sounds a lot like Battle Grounds.

Also since I've heard you can level via PVP- hey, you can also level WoW via PVP.

But more importantly than taking these things from WoW is the fact that SE basically didn't take anything that made FFXI unique (or FF in general) and make it amazing nor did they use the FF lore to make FFXIV more like an FF game.

If they had maintained what FF is known for- characters, storyline, world (just to name a few) it wouldn't be such a big problem. However, I've heard nothing and most importantly- have seen nothing that is going to prove otherwise.

Plus it also sucks that we have to pay for this crap as it is now. If he won't be giving us a discount then he should at the very least not charge us until after 1.22 so we can see these oh-so-amazing changes, cause darling, I don't trust SE. They've been biffing rather spectacularly for the past several years with each new game release.

[Dawiichan]

"Furthermore, we are offering a play experience unlike any other MMORPG by providing content that is only available to enjoy now. "
Hey kids, remember the temporary quests/content WoW had pre-Cataclysm where, for example, Sylvanas got Valkyries and players were able to reclaim Gnomeregan? You can't experience those things anymore in the game. Furthermore, this is not the first time WoW has done that. Also, WoW isn't the only game to do that unfortunately for FFXIV, WoW is the MMO leader right now so yeah, it will be seen as taking from WoW.

Exclusivity is not being unique. Exclusivity is letting you have something that others can/will not. Saying that SE is taking that idea from blizzard is like saying an exclusive DLC to a PS3 game is taking the idea from blizzard.

"Content Finder" = Dungeon Finder. In WoW it is also cross server. However, WoW's servers are not only language specific but type specific (PVP, PVE, and RP). The computer then forms groups based on each pool in addition to langauge specific servers.

I give you this one.

"Language Servers (language servers and global servers)"- Granted WoW doesn't have both the way Yoshida-san wishes to make it here. However, having global servers is fairly pointless because people will simply go with language specific.

Having preferred language servers doesn't make it anything like WoW. First of all they're servers. Second of all WoW has different regions so all the servers are based off one language.

"PvP/Large Scale PvP"- ok PVP... a major component of WoW. I mean one doesn't think of WoW without thinking of PVP (however good/bad it may be. I don't care)
In WoW you have Arena which will be equivalent to the FFXIV Colosseum and then the "Large Scale PvP" sounds a lot like Battle Grounds.

Having PvP does not make it a wow clone. First of all FFXI had similar PvP to what was described. There was something like a PvP arena and they also had large scale(more like faction) PvP. They're adding things that were already there. [/QUOTE]

Also since I've heard you can level via PVP- hey, you can also level WoW via PVP.

No one I know has even heard of this. I've yet to see this once.

But more importantly than taking these things from WoW is the fact that SE basically didn't take anything that made FFXI unique (or FF in general) and make it amazing nor did they use the FF lore to make FFXIV more like an FF game.

Classes, Jobs, Instanced Bosses(BCNM/KSNM). A rich(yet thus far incomplete) story line?

If they had maintained what FF is known for- characters, storyline, world (just to name a few) it wouldn't be such a big problem. However, I've heard nothing and most importantly- have seen nothing that is going to prove otherwise.

Cid is probably the only, if not one of the few universal FF characters in the FF universe. Yet Cid has already appeared in FFXIV. Pretty sure they just said that we are getting an exclusive story line on the Seventh Umbral Era. Then the world... honestly the only major land marks FF has is a chocobo forest and a room with a crystal in it.

Plus it also sucks that we have to pay for this crap as it is now. If he won't be giving us a discount then he should at the very least not charge us until after 1.22 so we can see these oh-so-amazing changes, cause darling, I don't trust SE. They've been biffing rather spectacularly for the past several years with each new game release.

I don't disagree with the discount on subs. I honestly believe they should too but I wouldn't be disappointed if they don't. It's your decision on what you believe the game is like and if paying is worth it but considering that you said certain things don't exist which actually do, my guess is that you haven't played enough to know all of this.

With what points you have given, I do not see how they are all specific to WoW and how SE is striving away from FFXI/FF. I do believe that looking at other MMO's successful ideas is a good thing, but I don't believe that with the information they are giving that it will be a copy of anything but a FF game.

[Picoman]

I say that this game is turning into a WoW clone because I have played WoW, for several years in fact (while playing FFXI as well). I mentioned before that in my opinion FFXI was the better game. Enough about me.

The reason people are saying this game is becoming a WoW clone is because of the parallels that SE didn't bother to even convert to their own for FFXIV. Much like WoW and their "giant bird mounts" /coughclearlynotinfluencedbyffatallcough
I mean it's downright shameless how much SE is taking from WoW.

Allow me to list examples. I'll be quoting Yoshida-san.

"Furthermore, we are offering a play experience unlike any other MMORPG by providing content that is only available to enjoy now. "
Hey kids, remember the temporary quests/content WoW had pre-Cataclysm where, for example, Sylvanas got Valkyries and players were able to reclaim Gnomeregan? You can't experience those things anymore in the game. Furthermore, this is not the first time WoW has done that. Also, WoW isn't the only game to do that unfortunately for FFXIV, WoW is the MMO leader right now so yeah, it will be seen as taking from WoW.

Moving on-

"Content Finder" = Dungeon Finder. In WoW it is also cross server. However, WoW's servers are not only language specific but type specific (PVP, PVE, and RP). The computer then forms groups based on each pool in addition to langauge specific servers.

"Language Servers (language servers and global servers)"- Granted WoW doesn't have both the way Yoshida-san wishes to make it here. However, having global servers is fairly pointless because people will simply go with language specific.

"PvP/Large Scale PvP"- ok PVP... a major component of WoW. I mean one doesn't think of WoW without thinking of PVP (however good/bad it may be. I don't care)
In WoW you have Arena which will be equivalent to the FFXIV Colosseum and then the "Large Scale PvP" sounds a lot like Battle Grounds.

Also since I've heard you can level via PVP- hey, you can also level WoW via PVP.

But more importantly than taking these things from WoW is the fact that SE basically didn't take anything that made FFXI unique (or FF in general) and make it amazing nor did they use the FF lore to make FFXIV more like an FF game.

If they had maintained what FF is known for- characters, storyline, world (just to name a few) it wouldn't be such a big problem. However, I've heard nothing and most importantly- have seen nothing that is going to prove otherwise.

Plus it also sucks that we have to pay for this crap as it is now. If he won't be giving us a discount then he should at the very least not charge us until after 1.22 so we can see these oh-so-amazing changes, cause darling, I don't trust SE. They've been biffing rather spectacularly for the past several years with each new game release.

Yoshi-P is implementing MMORPG standards to meet player expectations.

Simply because they exist in WoW does not mean FFXIV is a clone. It just means some of the things WoW made popular have become industry standards therefore MMOs released without certain systems are labeled 'unfinished'.

I don't give two ****s about WoW. I believe in Yoshi-P and trust him to deliver a Final Fantasy.

You are an SE hater, i get it. You probably have your reasons. Good for you.

Cya, there is the door.

)Over there( --->

[Sylvari]

I say that this game is turning into a WoW clone because I have played WoW, for several years in fact (while playing FFXI as well). I mentioned before that in my opinion FFXI was the better game. Enough about me.

The reason people are saying this game is becoming a WoW clone is because of the parallels that SE didn't bother to even convert to their own for FFXIV. Much like WoW and their "giant bird mounts" /coughclearlynotinfluencedbyffatallcough
I mean it's downright shameless how much SE is taking from WoW.

Allow me to list examples. I'll be quoting Yoshida-san.

"Furthermore, we are offering a play experience unlike any other MMORPG by providing content that is only available to enjoy now. "
Hey kids, remember the temporary quests/content WoW had pre-Cataclysm where, for example, Sylvanas got Valkyries and players were able to reclaim Gnomeregan? You can't experience those things anymore in the game. Furthermore, this is not the first time WoW has done that. Also, WoW isn't the only game to do that unfortunately for FFXIV, WoW is the MMO leader right now so yeah, it will be seen as taking from WoW.

Moving on-

"Content Finder" = Dungeon Finder. In WoW it is also cross server. However, WoW's servers are not only language specific but type specific (PVP, PVE, and RP). The computer then forms groups based on each pool in addition to langauge specific servers.

"Language Servers (language servers and global servers)"- Granted WoW doesn't have both the way Yoshida-san wishes to make it here. However, having global servers is fairly pointless because people will simply go with language specific.

"PvP/Large Scale PvP"- ok PVP... a major component of WoW. I mean one doesn't think of WoW without thinking of PVP (however good/bad it may be. I don't care)
In WoW you have Arena which will be equivalent to the FFXIV Colosseum and then the "Large Scale PvP" sounds a lot like Battle Grounds.

Also since I've heard you can level via PVP- hey, you can also level WoW via PVP.

But more importantly than taking these things from WoW is the fact that SE basically didn't take anything that made FFXI unique (or FF in general) and make it amazing nor did they use the FF lore to make FFXIV more like an FF game.

If they had maintained what FF is known for- characters, storyline, world (just to name a few) it wouldn't be such a big problem. However, I've heard nothing and most importantly- have seen nothing that is going to prove otherwise.

Plus it also sucks that we have to pay for this crap as it is now. If he won't be giving us a discount then he should at the very least not charge us until after 1.22 so we can see these oh-so-amazing changes, cause darling, I don't trust SE. They've been biffing rather spectacularly for the past several years with each new game release.

Hmm.. keep it short and sweet.... Why reinvent the wheel for the sake of others? If WoW has these mechanics good for them... And I'm aware you can lvl up using PvP in WoW, but that was only implemented in the last year or so... Just cause they are adding a lot of mechanics that WoW has doesnt mean its a WoW clone.. As for the Battle grounds argument you've got going... See Warhammer Online...