MCH, still as bad?

[Gameplayzero]

I don't know how popular my opinion will be but...

After using MCH for quite a while now (not even maining), it's...really not that hard.

are we talking raiding and trying to play the class at its fullest potential or just casual content? I mean its one thing to say that if you aren't raiding, but....

at the end of the day it does come down to the person, but its definitely (even as shown in this thread) regarded as a tougher to maximize job. Mainly as others have stated: since your dps is so low you can't screw up along with other factors.

[Aeliott]

are we talking raiding and trying to play the class at its fullest potential or just casual content? I mean its one thing to say that if you aren't raiding, but....

at the end of the day it does come down to the person, but its definitely (even as shown in this thread) regarded as a tougher to maximize job. Mainly as others have stated: since your dps is so low you can't screw up along with other factors.

I regard its difficulty more in terms of...fight knowledge I guess? A Bard can experience things firsthand a bit more easily, MCH will have to adapt to fight timers or add phases and such to determine when is best to use their longer cooldowns and whether or not in conjunction with Wildfire. Which is in my eyes the only significant difference between the two in terms of maximising DPS - Wildfire. So we might even be on the same page here, there is more of a learning curve of lining things up dependent on the fights (which Bard doesn't have), but in terms of actual play and mechanics I don't consider it hard. By the time you reach 60, depending on your method of leveling you should find them mostly second nature. But there's more of an initial learning curve when going into end-game stuff for sure. I meant in terms of playstyle.

I suppose in that sense my comments on effort compared to bard don't hold (in raids at least), so I'll retract that :P I don't think that the difficulty in adapting cooldown usage is extreme enough to put off someone, I guess it comes down to playstyle preference though; a lot of people find MCH more "fluid" than Bard despite Wildfire's centralising nature.

[RiceisNice]

I suppose in that sense my comments on effort compared to bard don't hold (in raids at least), so I'll retract that :P I don't think that the difficulty in adapting cooldown usage is extreme enough to put off someone, I guess it comes down to playstyle preference though; a lot of people find MCH more "fluid" than Bard despite Wildfire's centralising nature.

I'd argue that MCH is closer to 2.0's BRD gameplay with the instant casts and amount of oGCD weaving they can do, sans the wildfire bursts. But at the same time, those instant casts kind of defeat the point of GB in the first place. Beyond the ammo off cooldown and wildfire, you're just more focused on looking for procs to use, much like BRD spamming heavy shot and using SS when it falls off or it gets a proc.

And I guess a turret is a thing too, but there's so very little interaction with it almost feels as involved as ninja poisons.

BRD on the other hand, feels like a mess to play because WM feels like it's just patched on with no consideration of their original gameplay (esp since it involves an oGCD resetting it's cooldown).

[Gameplayzero]

I regard its difficulty more in terms of...fight knowledge I guess?

I understand haha. Thank you for the mature explanation despite my post possibly coming across as a bit snarky (though that wasn't what I intended it to be lol).