MCH, still as bad?

[RiceisNice]

Also ricochet I guess for MCH, but thats only once a minute so probably doesn't help a big deal except with an opening burst

Ricochet is a flat 300 potency no matter how many targets you hit. You're not gonna do more damage using it for AoE compared to using it for a single target.

. You'll also find players who think that if they don't hear the pew pew of spread shot then you're not aoeing.

Grenado is technically more damage per GCD than spreadshot, but it eats up so much TP. If you can kill the pack before you run out of TP (usually paired with cooldowns, or low hp packs), grenado is the better choice.

[Osmond]

100~200 DPS is not a little bit. And there is not a single fight where when played optimally MCH wins. MCH loses overall in personal AND raid DPS. It does not matter how well you play the class, it is a design issue, not a player issue.

I can't really assume that since numbers change every attempt, but whatever. I can't argue over personal preference.

[Ephier]

SO....is the result of this thread that noone wants a MCH in a party, cos they can't do anything better than a bard?

I main MCH because I like it more than BRD. But I can comfortably say it is weaker than BRD in personal and raid DPS. It does have an advantage in mobility, but that does not mean much when you really don't need it.

I can't really assume that since numbers change every attempt, but whatever. I can't argue over personal preference.

There is nothing to assume, you can find this information online.

[Osmond]

I main MCH because I like it more than BRD. But I can comfortably say it is weaker than BRD in personal and raid DPS. It does have an advantage in mobility, but that does not mean much when you really don't need it.



There is nothing to assume, you can find this information online.

Which is why I won't agrue over it. Then again I don't take them that seriously cause that what made me drove away at times in raid statics at times. Get too focused on numbers then it goes to job favors.

[Nirurin]

I main MCH because I like it more than BRD. But I can comfortably say it is weaker than BRD in personal and raid DPS. It does have an advantage in mobility, but that does not mean much when you really don't need it..

Mind if I ask what is it about MCH that you enjoy more than BRD? Might help me to know what people find fun/not fun about each job (subjective as it may be)

[Ephier]

Mind if I ask what is it about MCH that you enjoy more than BRD? Might help me to know what people find fun/not fun about each job (subjective as it may be)

For me its the lack of attention it receives. It feels sort of prestigious to play a MCH as they are so rare to see. Also the play style feels very fluid and comfortable once you get used to it, you are always smashing something as you have so many low cooldown OGCDs. Along with the huehue mobility you get from procs and insta cast TP/MP regen. Its hard to explain, its just one of those situations where you are playing a class and it just clicks with you.

[RiceisNice]

I don't even consider the fact that it's under represented, hell I rarely see other good brd or mch in parties. To me, it's just more coherent than bard's gameplay

[Sidra]

Power level aside, Machinist is put together much better than Bard. Gauss Barrel works much better with MCH's ammo system than Minuet works with Bard. It makes MCH more mobile and with quick reload on such a low CD, it's rather easy to plan your movement. Both turrets and Promotion are instant cast. You don't have the imperfect interaction of cast times and Bloodletter procs. Basically, the current version of Bard has some clunkiness to it that MCH does not possess...probably because they built MCH with Gauss Barrel in mind, where the tacked it onto Bard for easy balancing sake or they ran out of time to think of something new.

[Nirurin]

Power level aside, Machinist is put together much better than Bard. Gauss Barrel works much better with MCH's ammo system than Minuet works with Bard. It makes MCH more mobile and with quick reload on such a low CD, it's rather easy to plan your movement. Both turrets and Promotion are instant cast. You don't have the imperfect interaction of cast times and Bloodletter procs. Basically, the current version of Bard has some clunkiness to it that MCH does not possess...probably because they built MCH with Gauss Barrel in mind, where the tacked it onto Bard for easy balancing sake or they ran out of time to think of something new.

interesting.... if I can find a decent gun glamour i like, that may sell it for me haha

[RiceisNice]

interesting.... if I can find a decent gun glamour i like, that may sell it for me haha

There's not much guns you can find that look decent with gauss barrel and the lunchbox