MCH, still as bad?

[RiceisNice]

Hmm, that doesn't sound good. Is MCH at least a fun class to play as? It must have some reason to play it haha

Fun is subjective. I personally prefer it over BRD, but that's only because I can't stand WM on BRD. I'd say give it a shot at least. Once you get to lvl 54 you more or less have the full rotation.

[CGMidlander]

Fun is subjective. I personally prefer it over BRD, but that's only because I can't stand WM on BRD. I'd say give it a shot at least. Once you get to lvl 54 you more or less have the full rotation.

Ahuhuhuhuhu.

[RiceisNice]

Ahuhuhuhuhu.

Armageddon outta here.

[Nirurin]

Armageddon outta here.

Get out, you're bard

[Nirurin]

Fun is subjective. I personally prefer it over BRD, but that's only because I can't stand WM on BRD. I'd say give it a shot at least. Once you get to lvl 54 you more or less have the full rotation.

I though gauss barrel was effectively the same as WM? Is there a difference that makes it less annoying?

While I'm asking a question, heres another - Which is better at AoE? I've read two conflicting threads, one says MCH and the other says BRD. Though I think the MCH one also added in crowd control to mch as being a big plus.

[RiceisNice]

I though gauss barrel was effectively the same as WM? Is there a difference that makes it less annoying?

While I'm asking a question, heres another - Which is better at AoE? I've read two conflicting threads, one says MCH and the other says BRD. Though I think the MCH one also added in crowd control to mch as being a big plus.

They're both functionally the same, but BRD has river of blood which resets their oGCD cooldowns. MCH is also more reliant on procs which give them instant casts on specific weaponskills, so they're roughly closer to 2.0 BRD's gameplay. BRD has a proc as well that gives them instant cast, but it's not as prominent. To me, it's more on "GB messes up less things on MCH than it does on BRD"

I'd say BRD's AoE is infinitely better due to multi-dotting for multiple RoDs. Bishop is nice and all, but it's only 60 potency that's unaffected by gauss barrel.

[Nirurin]

They're both functionally the same, but BRD has river of blood which resets their oGCD cooldowns. MCH is also more reliant on procs which give them instant casts on specific weaponskills, so they're roughly closer to 2.0 BRD's gameplay. BRD has a proc as well that gives them instant cast, but it's not as prominent. To me, it's more on "GB messes up less things on MCH than it does on BRD"

I'd say BRD's AoE is infinitely better due to multi-dotting for multiple RoDs. Bishop is nice and all, but it's only 60 potency that's unaffected by gauss barrel.

Is bishop the best AoE mch has? What about spread shot and grenade shot? Or are they just rubbish compared to bard?

Not that it's a big deal, mostly single target damage is the way to go, I was just curious. Trying to learn things ^^

[RiceisNice]

Is bishop the best AoE mch has? What about spread shot and grenade shot? Or are they just rubbish compared to bard?

Not that it's a big deal, mostly single target damage is the way to go, I was just curious. Trying to learn things ^^

They're not mutally exclusive. You have spread shot and grenado, but that mirrors what bard has (quick notch and wide volley) down to the potency, so I'm mostly referencing what's exclusive to the respective jobs. (bishop turret vs rain of death potential)

[Nirurin]

They're not mutally exclusive. You have spread shot and grenado, but that mirrors what bard has (quick notch and wide volley) down to the potency, so I'm mostly referencing what's exclusive to the respective jobs. (bishop turret vs rain of death potential)

Also ricochet I guess for MCH, but thats only once a minute so probably doesn't help a big deal except with an opening burst

[Cromi_Jobly]

From playing both BRD and MCH my feelings is that MCH was built around GB while BRD had WM tacked on without proper re-balancing. With GB active you have 3 instant cast (4 with Feint) and 2 procs. Add on Reload/Quick Reload with Rapid Fire and you are a walking turret yourself.

AOE depends on pack sizes and CDs. I approach packs of 4+ with bishop on hypercharge with grenado shot until out of tp, then followed with an invigorate and single shot rotation. Packs of 3 or less then use rook with lead shot kept on all enemies while single shooting. Many MCH likes using spread shot over Grenado Shot, but the positions can be tricky, esp with a random tank. You'll also find players who think that if they don't hear the pew pew of spread shot then you're not aoeing.

As for which is better, it all boils down to the player. Raw numbers can say what happens in a perfect world, but players aren't perfect. I've leveled all ranged classes to 60 and I can pull higher damage consecutively from a MCH than any other.