Random rule is broken, please fix

[Myon88]

Frankly I don't think Triple Triad is intended to be a 'skill' game at all. Certainly you can make good decisions that will up your winrates compared to someone playing blind, but only by a little bit and there'll always layers of randomness present (outright random rules, random card drops, etc).

Collecting cards is meant to be more a long term effort - for some cards much longer than others. Which is an attempt to draw out the lifespan of content so you're farming cards over the course of an entire expansion, or what have you. Otherwise we'd collect everything the first week of an expansion and then quibble about having nothing to do.

I'm not saying that's good or bad, it's just what it is. It works out well if you're fortunate enough to only care about TT semi-casually, but if you're in a "Must have EVERY card right now" kind of person and go after them in an ocd manner you're going to have a bad time.

[BlatantPyre]

Sorry folks..but I thoroughly enjoyed Lewena. If you know what you're doing, it's not impossible. If you're looking for guaranteed wins...I don't know what to tell ya, TT might not be for you. I HOPE it is...but it's not about a free hand out. The random rule is there for the spontaneity - some of us enjoy that.

ServerCollaps has the best point. Lewena's rewards are high, she shouldn't be a push over.

[Tint]

If you're looking for guaranteed wins...I don't know what to tell ya, TT might not be for you.

of course not. but i am also don't looking for a guaranteed lose...

[DarkDedede]

The Random rule would be a bit more interesting if it actually picked five random from your collection, and didn't take into account card rank restrictions. It would be interesting if we occasionally got a full hand of five star cards.

[Saint_Angeles]

Choosing three 1* cards, with a 2* and 3* = instant loss, more times than I can count, changing a game of skill and chance into constant chance of failure.

Random, in and of itself, breaks the game, making it unplayable. Getting rid of it would be fore the better, but another method to fixing it could be to change rarity of cards it picks. If I got 60 cards, pull from 3* and 4*, small chance of 2*, even smaller chance of 5*. No 3-4 1* cards, please.

Between Order, Chaos and Random, it makes a fun game involve both no skill, and no fun.

How is attempting to beat an NPC with a deck full of strong cards using a randomly handicapped deck somehow LESS skillful than beating them with a deck of uber 5's?

[FunkyBunch]

How is attempting to beat an NPC with a deck full of strong cards using a randomly handicapped deck somehow LESS skillful than beating them with a deck of uber 5's?

Because with many cards there is no longer an optimum play for them. There is nowhere they are either safe, can draw out a flip, or can be used to capture another card.
Therefore it takes less skill because instead of an optimal place to put the cards, it literally doesn't matter anymore.
When there is no difference between placing a card randomly vs not randomly, it means it takes LESS skill to play.

[Saint_Angeles]

Whatever this was

I don't possess a photographic memory, but I'm pretty sure when the times I beat Lewena, I wasn't throwing my suboptimal cards at a metaphorical dartboard and getting lucky. I'm not even sure what your argument is here. How is there never an optimal play for a card? You utilize your deck to minimize the impact of playing an extremely weak card and attempt to create a situation in which your overall strategy allows for subobtimal cards to still eke out a victory. That's literally the definition of skill.

I guess if people really play like this and just randomly plop down cards with a random deck it at least explains all the salt and general lack of empowerment in these whiny threads.

[FunkyBunch]

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I'm saying there are 1* cards that it literally doesn't matter where you place them. I have consistent hands of Sabotendar, Bomb, Spriggan, Dodo, and Sylph. Despite having 89 cards.
You can pretend that where you place them matters, but every card she plays flips one or more of your cards, no matter how you play. If she plays even one card with a weak side facing the wall, and you don't have 2 cards with a 7+ it's literally impossible to win. Even then you'd have to be extremely lucky in the Chaos order for it to matter.
I can't count the times that I could have won only to be screwed by Chaos not letting me play the card that would let me win.

While there are always "optimal" placements for cards, against Lewena the placement can literally not matter. At all.

[Critical-Limit]

First, 1/4 of the time is not consistently. If you can\\'t beat her 3/4 of the time no matter how good you are, it\\'s not a skill based system. It\\'s a luck based system in that if you have enough luck to get enough good cards and a good order to play them

Uh didnt I say there was luck involved at the start of my post?

There are people who can't beat her but like 1/20. My 1/4 is a result of skill. Obviously there is STILL luck because I can't choose cards or what cards to use. But you can manage a lot better than "takes no skill"

I was addressing that. 1/4 is consistent. I consistently lose 3 to every win because those 3 losses are usually a result of random/chaos. But I don't lose 15 times to 1 win because I have skill.

It takes skill too.

I bet you don't consider the cards she's already used to predict her future cards either.

[FunkyBunch]

Uh didnt I say there was luck involved at the start of my post?

There are people who can't beat her but like 1/20. My 1/4 is a result of skill. Obviously there is STILL luck because I can't choose cards or what cards to use. But you can manage a lot better than "takes no skill"

I was addressing that. 1/4 is consistent. I consistently lose 3 to every win because those 3 losses are usually a result of random/chaos. But I don't lose 15 times to 1 win because I have skill.

It takes skill too.

I bet you don't consider the cards she's already used to predict her future cards either.

I'm not a lightweight, I'm saying that there are times that ANY of her cards can flip ANY of your cards making it IMPOSSIBLE to win.
I can play as optimally as possible, which I do. I have beaten her many times. That still doesn't make me not want to throw my controller out the window.


I know which cards she has left and figuring out the best place to play cards. But it doesn't matter 3/4 of the time according to your own statistic. THAT is what's wrong.
Even if you get extremely lucky to get to win 1/4 of the time it's still just luck. When you lose the ability to pick your cards, play the order of your cards you want you lose two skill variables.
The only variable left is placement. And you can place perfectly but it can still be impossible to win 90+% of the time.
Your 1/4 win rate vs someone with a 1/20 win rate is RNG. Same as why it takes some people 3 hours to grind all the crystals for Relic and others a week playing 3 hours per day.

Playing Lewena is frustrating and not fun.