Astrologian misconceptions

[Sidra]

In general, this Dev team favors balance over creativity. It's easier for them to balance by near-mirroing skills. Look at MCH and Bard. And they really did it with WHM and AST. Cure 1/2. Regen. AOE1/2. OGCD instant (Essential Dignity/Tetra). The are some flavor differences, and a few small thing that differentiate them. But from a high level they are remarkably similar. Can't really blame the payer base for pigeon-holing them a bit.

And the dude yelling at you for not using Noct in Cape Westwind was just a bonehead. That's not an example of community-mind.

[TatoRazzino]

And the dude yelling at you for not using Noct in Cape Westwind was just a bonehead. That's not an example of community-mind.

I wish that was true, honestly.

But I agree with you that the devs are favoring balance over creativity, at least for now. Since we have only 8 spots in a raid team, if they get too creative they'd have a big problem designing fights to not favor one specific style over the other. I believe we'll see more variety in the next expansion.

[Roxas_Andrade]

What could SE do to make AST less hated?

IMHO, I think SE could make things better by letting AST use Time Dilation and Synastry on themselves(No reason to do this on raids, but we could use it for soloing). Also Nocturnal sect has no synergy with TD and Celestial Opposition, so I think it's worth mentioning. SE could also switch the levels that we acquire Gravity and Combust II. The lack of AoE in Lv 50 dungeons hurt...

Besides that, I guess SE will get more love towards AST as the Level cap rises and they get new spells. They need an spammable instant attack spell (I think it should be Stella). Example: the bombs in Brayflox Hard's last boss and the Keeper of the Lake's first boss. Combust is the only instant spell AST has and it won't push the bombs away because it doesn't have an initial hit. Aero has, and itcould be used for this, but if you Cross Class Blizzard II due to the lack of AoE, you can't do anything to help...

[Dayala]

IMHO, I think SE could make things better by letting AST use Time Dilation and Synastry on themselves(No reason to do this on raids, but we could use it for soloing). [...] SE could also switch the levels that we acquire Gravity and Combust II. The lack of AoE in Lv 50 dungeons hurt...

I could see using time dilation on ourselves but not Synastry. The whole point of that ability is to heal the target of synastry by healing other people in the party so that makes little to no sense in a solo situation. If you mean the healing boost you get from using it then I can see why but still not needed since Light Speed would basically be better to top yourself off in a soloing kinda thing.

I agree with the lack of AOE in lvl 50 dungeons. I never take AST in the 50 roulettes because of no gravity access ;A;

[Roxas_Andrade]

The whole point of that ability is to heal the target of synastry by healing other people in the party so that makes little to no sense in a solo situation. If you mean the healing boost you get from using it then I can see why but still not needed since Light Speed would basically be better to top yourself off in a soloing kinda thing.

Considering your priority as heal MT>Yourself>Everyone else, you could cast that synastry on yourself and get healed as you heal other people ensuring your survival. For soloing, the boost in healing is really what i had in mind - Not necessarilly to top yourself, but you could Synastry->Asp.Bene yourself and DPS longer.

[Zaj_Quilos]

An Astrologian that barely ever draws card should stop being an Astrologian.

[AlexanderThorolund]

Most of it comes from when the job was introduced, first impressions are hard to shake.

[Lunafreya]

Most of it comes from when the job was introduced, first impressions are hard to shake.

I definitely agree with this but Astrologian is a completely new potent job now. The main problem people have with AST is that it is the middle ground between whm and sch. They want AST to be a unique class that does things differently than the previous two. I don't think there is a problem. Evidence already shows that AST can hold their ground in extreme content like Alex Savage. I'm a good AST... really good. I have seen bad Astrologians and there is a clear skill gap between us that keeps one doing great in savage and one flunking.

[DarkmoonVael]

I definitely agree with this but Astrologian is a completely new potent job now. The main problem people have with AST is that it is the middle ground between whm and sch. They want AST to be a unique class that does things differently than the previous two. I don't think there is a problem. Evidence already shows that AST can hold their ground in extreme content like Alex Savage. I'm a good AST... really good. I have seen bad Astrologians and there is a clear skill gap between us that keeps one doing great in savage and one flunking.

The gap in skill between the great AST and the others is enormous, which really doesnt help. Many times have i come across another AST in df who dont know the basics of healing, let alone the nuances of their class. Been running alex for relic recently (71/80 so doing alexander just for that last push), and been paired up with questionable AST parteners. One didnt use cards at all. One was the diurnal healer (i was nocturnal) and they didnt use regen abilities at all and single target healed via benefic for aoe damage. However, one A4 we were AST x 2 and it was amazing. We both understood what we were doing, stance dancing for dps, dealing with discoid each at the same time, syncronising card buffs. It was beautiful.

AST is a class that has attracted many who havent healed/have very little experience healing before since they want to play the class that looks pretty (dont blame them, AST really is a sight to behold visually). Further increasing this is the fact that when AST was the underpowered mess it was on release, many raider had to make a prompt decision on what class to gear up via Esoterics, and AST lost out, leading way to many of the great healers in game still maining WHM/SCH. Many many factors have played into the lack of understanding of AST. The raider had to choose another healer over AST, so the non-raiders see this and think "AST=bad since very very very few healers raid on it". The new healers on AST dont do it justice at all in DF, further leading to it disrepute in the community. And the imbalance in hard DPS checks in savage alexander 3 and 4 made it hard to take AST in over classic meta WHM+SCH.

Hopefully people will start seeing the better side of all of us who love and play AST to a high standard when Alexander: Midas is released.

[Vlady]

I definitely agree with this but Astrologian is a completely new potent job now. The main problem people have with AST is that it is the middle ground between whm and sch. They want AST to be a unique class that does things differently than the previous two. I don't think there is a problem. Evidence already shows that AST can hold their ground in extreme content like Alex Savage. I'm a good AST... really good. I have seen bad Astrologians and there is a clear skill gap between us that keeps one doing great in savage and one flunking.

I just love seeing these self promoting I am so leet threads hidden behind a supposed real message. Yes we know in your last 15 posts you are really good and just everyone else that complains about astro job is sub par. Astrologian still has its issues even though it is on par with the other two healers. Still has some lack luster cooldowns despite its insanely strong healing cooldown.

Could use another option to maybe even temporarily reduce rng on cards as well. Bole would be immensely more useful if we could time it for an actual defensive need. And nocturnal stance should be revised a bit to give us a more offensive edge with it possibly replacing cleric stance without affecting our healing ability. That way we could in essence perform the role of the scholar with maybe reduced mana costs on our dps oriented spells and a boost in dps potency but not as strong as cleric stance.

Please leave the ego at home as it undermines your entire post. A person does not have to be an elite player to have a valid opinion or critique of a job.