Samurai and Ala Migho

[Jandor]

I expect 3 jobs to be honest. 1 tank, 1 melee DPS, 1 healer, that would give us 4 tanks, 4 melees, 4 ranged and 4 heals. We all know how the FFXIV dev team likes balance in all things.

It also allows for nice even splits like.
2 MT
2 OT
2 DPS melee DPS
2 support melee DPS
2 DPS ranged DPS
2 support ranged DPS
2 Main healers
2 Off healers
And further splits like.
1 high skill tank
2 average skill tanks
1 easy mode tank
and so on.

[Shurrikhan]

I just have to ask... how is Samurai a fitting a choice for Ala Mhigo?

Granted, we didn't especially have much of a lore excuse for adding in a massive wave of Au'ra either (save for one character meant, iirc, to be among the relatively few surviving members of her race), but at least the jobs fit Ishgard well enough.
I'm not saying they were inherently based in Ishgard, only that the concerns of their own politics or philosophies (AST and DRK respectively) meshed well enough with what concepts Ishgard put out. Would the same be true of SAM? What connection do you see?

E.g. is it Doman influence carrying over from the last addition?
Or are we really imagining Old English Hyurs donning lamellar (or dressed down in just cloth, if you prefer) and whipping out katanas?...

I expect 3 jobs to be honest. 1 tank, 1 melee DPS, 1 healer, that would give us 4 tanks, 4 melees, 4 ranged and 4 heals. We all know how the FFXIV dev team likes balance in all things.

It also allows for nice even splits like...
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If that's the impetus for adding the jobs, then I think we can be pretty sure we'll be seeing the exact same "<class> reskin" comments from before (e.g. Dark Rampart, Wanderless Barrel, WHM Sect). If they're intending each to add only to a very particular rank and file, they're scarcely adding options at all. Generally they add little more than choice of aesthetic.

[Shippuu]

I just have to ask... how is Samurai a fitting a choice for Ala Mhigo?

Who says Samurai has to be from Ala Mhigo? And the Ishgard jobs fit well enough because SE made them so. Before heavensward Machinists would have made zero sense coming from Ishgard. To use your example of "old English hyur putting on lamellar and whipping out katanas" how did "old English knightly and religious medieval elezen putting on gadgets and whipping out guns and robots" make sense? It only made sense because SE wrote them into the story in a believable way. On top of that one of the main characters for that job story to teach machinists how to shoot was a 1.0 character from Limsa lominsa.

Astrologian's are also Sharlayans and their job story had very little to do with Ishgard and everything to do with Sharlayans and their politics.

Dark Knight is the only one that has some semblance of fitting into Ishgard's society naturally and even that was severely underplayed to the point it could have been from anywhere.

Even with all that said, it's also unlikely we will even start in Ala Mhigo at the beginning of 4.0 and will more likely be fighting our way to reclaiming it during the 4.0 story which means any new jobs wouldn't be tied to the city state anyways. As such there's plenty of room to write in a displaced Samurai trainer from Doma who teaches our adventurers his ways to fight back against the same empire that took his home. While their home is gone, the assistance in helping another group of people who suffered under the same enemy is a noble one and a likely story thread.

[Jandor]

I just have to ask... how is Samurai a fitting a choice for Ala Mhigo?

Granted, we didn't especially have much of a lore excuse for adding in a massive wave of Au'ra either (save for one character meant, iirc, to be among the relatively few surviving members of her race), but at least the jobs fit Ishgard well enough.

Is it Doman influence carrying over from the last addition?
Or are we really imagining Old English Hyurs donning lamellar (or dressed down in just cloth, if you prefer) and whipping out katanas?...

None of the jobs in Heavensward were particularly tied to Ishgard. The Astrologians came from Sharlayan, guns are much more common is Limsa and the Machinists could have fit there no problem,

and the Dark Knights could have conceivably ended up at any city state watching refugees be killed by any corrupt set of guards to be honest.

If that's the impetus for adding the jobs, then I think we can be pretty sure we'll be seeing the exact same "<class> reskin" comments from before (e.g. Dark Rampart, Wanderless Barrel, WHM Sect). If they're intending each to add only to a very particular rank and file, they're scarcely adding options at all. Generally they add little more than choice of aesthetic.

I wouldn't mind the 1 tank, 1 dps, 1 healer setup to be honest. I'd be quite happy with Samurai tank, Red mage melee DPS and Dancer or Chemist healer.
I would hope that they play differently to the existing jobs though.

[Jandor]

I'll bet money that it's not just one job. That would be more than a bit pathetic tbh.

[Ametrine]

I just have to ask... how is Samurai a fitting a choice for Ala Mhigo?

Granted, we didn't especially have much of a lore excuse for adding in a massive wave of Au'ra either (save for one character meant, iirc, to be among the relatively few surviving members of her race), but at least the jobs fit Ishgard well enough.

Is it Doman influence carrying over from the last addition?
Or are we really imagining Old English Hyurs donning lamellar (or dressed down in just cloth, if you prefer) and whipping out katanas?...

Nothing says SAM will be rooted in Ala Mhigo. In fact, if SE keeps their promise of not keep the new jobs behind the expansion's walls, it's reasonable to think of something like a Doman refugee in Mor Dhona strugging to keep the Samurai's school of combat alive.

I mean, Astrologian is a Sharlayan job, after all.

[Shippuu]

I want to add that the notion that any job has to be tied to city states we have access to is an absurd one as well. The majority of our jobs have nothing to do with any of the city states as it is, and we have had plenty from cities we didn't or don't have access to.

Warriors are from the far north of eorzea, summoner is an ancient allagan form of magic, scholars are from nym, black mages have roots in mhach, ninjas are from the far east/doma-ish. Monks are from Ala mhigo of which we have no access to atm, dragoons are from Ishgard of which we were able to become long before we ever stepped foot in ishgard.

That leaves only 3 jobs that have any real ties to their city states: Paladin, White Mage, and Bard.

So I'll never understand when people think there needs to be some kind of stipulation that these jobs be tied specifically to some arbitrary city state when the point of them is to have varied roots and different stories.

[Ametrine]

The notion of jobs being tied to cities comes from classes being heavily rooted in the lore of their respective home cities.

The three new jobs in HW did give us some background on Ishgardian culture, even if not quite as heavily as ARR classes do.

That's the root of the expectation.

[Balipu]

The notion of jobs being tied to cities comes from classes being heavily rooted in the lore of their respective home cities.

The three new jobs in HW did give us some background on Ishgardian culture, even if not quite as heavily as ARR classes do.

That's the root of the expectation.

Exactly. And with only two jobs tied to Othard (ninja and samurai) i would love to keep at least one till we get there. But Shippuu really seems to hate the idea of going to Othard.
On the off chance we do get Samurai now I think DPS is the most likely choice. Red Mage, Samurai and Dancer top every new job wish list and Yoshida definitely knows this. So many people assume that it will be Dancer as a healers, Red Mage as a DPS, and Samurai as a tank.

But I think we will be in for a surprise again. With Heawensward we wwere sure that the gun wielding class would be a healer as we got ninja as a DPS in 2.4 so Astrologian came out of the blue.
What I think is that Red Mage would be the healer. Sounds strange, but think about it. RM was always in a sort of support role and healing people with white magic is one of the things it is good at. RM would be the anti bard. Two support classes ending up as a ranged dps and a melee healer respectively. The DPS role filled by the samurai instead, to finally give us a sword wielding DPS class.
And dancer, a tank. Yes, a tank. It is really hard to come up with new and interesting ways to tank to make it different from the previous ones. What to do with enemy damage. Well how about a tank that dodges damage? You draw attention with your dance and spin and jump away from incoming blows.

[Katana190]

And dancer, a tank. Yes, a tank. It is really hard to come up with new and interesting ways to tank to make it different from the previous ones. What to do with enemy damage. Well how about a tank that dodges damage? You draw attention with your dance and spin and jump away from incoming blows.

I don't want to get into the whole SAM Tank vs DPS debate. Already done it too much in the past. Just stating my opinion and a SAM Tank could perfectly fit the whole theme of an evasion Tank. RDM could easily fit the Sword DPS everyone wants and DNC could easily fit the role of the DoW Healer everyone wants. Damn everyone is happy, except their not. No one will be happy with the decision SE makes, some will be disappointed some will love it. We'll just have to see in a few months for the announcements that are to come.

Even with all that said, it's also unlikely we will even start in Ala Mhigo at the beginning of 4.0 and will more likely be fighting our way to reclaiming it during the 4.0 story which means any new jobs wouldn't be tied to the city state anyways. As such there's plenty of room to write in a displaced Samurai trainer from Doma who teaches our adventurers his ways to fight back against the same empire that took his home. While their home is gone, the assistance in helping another group of people who suffered under the same enemy is a noble one and a likely story thread.

This would make a lot of sense tbh. I also believe if people are so tied to jobs needing to be tied to their city state, Samurai's could be a Gyr Abania elite soldier, a bit like how PLD like you mentioned is basically an elite Ul'dah guard. (?) Although no one has agreed with me on that point D: Because NIN and SAM need to be tied together I guess.