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    Nobody wants this. We want separate slots so we can mix and match pieces. Why is this so hard to understand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bass9020 View Post
    Nobody wants this. We want separate slots so we can mix and match pieces. Why is this so hard to understand?
    I think the Devs understand perfectly, they just either can't implement it or don't want to. >3>
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    Quote Originally Posted by bass9020 View Post
    Nobody wants this. We want separate slots so we can mix and match pieces. Why is this so hard to understand?
    What you want and what they are willing/able to give aren't always compatible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bass9020 View Post
    Nobody wants this. We want separate slots so we can mix and match pieces. Why is this so hard to understand?
    Why is it so hard to understand the first portion of the dev's post: "While we currently have no plans to add an additional slot for glamours..." ?

    They're trying to offer a compromise due to the way they have made the game. And you're telling them you don't want it. Well, then be happy with nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCurls View Post
    Why is it so hard to understand the first portion of the dev's post: "While we currently have no plans to add an additional slot for glamours..." ?

    They're trying to offer a compromise due to the way they have made the game. And you're telling them you don't want it. Well, then be happy with nothing.
    Im sorry why is it so hard for them to do this but MANY other games have much easier and broad glamour systems? Why would they design something knowingly they might have issues. Its 2016 and this is just another "limitation" of MANY in this game. We already have plenty of character customization issues as is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bass9020 View Post
    Im sorry why is it so hard for them to do this but MANY other games have much easier and broad glamour systems? Why would they design something knowingly they might have issues.
    Glamour wasn't added until 2.2 and from I can gather they didn't originally plan to have glamouring, it was bolted on later after we requested it so much. So to sort of answer your question, they didn't knowingly create a system with expansion issues, it just wasn't in there from the start, so now they're trying to work around the framework they have.

    And although we always hate it, it probably was Playstation 3 restrictions meant that framework was pretty inflexible and causes problems to adjust it later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    I'll let them know my suggestion.

    Rethink your decission developers, unless you want to give us a better answer as to why this cannot be done (it would be too much work/data/blah blah blah). maybe I've been spoiled by hearing other developers talk about their games in a more open manner than I'm used to be in this day and age in a evolving game like a MMO the community wants to feel more involved in this kind of stuff instead of being given a nebulous answer like.

    "We currently have no plans"

    All this means is that the answer is not a flat out no and it's by track record never going to happen for unknown reasons.

    Is the game really that bursting at the seams with item data that adding a more robust glamor system would tear it apart?
    If that's the case why is that? are the servers substandard?
    If so why aren't new ones worked with?
    If it's cost why is it expensive when your raking in money hand over fist from cash shop transactions and subscriptions?
    If funds are being siphoned from the game to Square Enix's project be transparent with us!

    I really dislike when the developers are mum on this stuff. It's just hard to accept that it's not possible when the game is popular enough to be pulling in a tidy profit, I'm not even mad at the developers but the higher ups who decide what kind of budget They get to see.

    If it's none of that then what to we the players need to do to make the developers "Plan" to work on this? How are we supposed to give them our opinion on what we feel is a right and wrong direction to move the game forward. Do people have to quit and make the developers wonder why people are leaving and not have us to give them the feedback as to why?

    When was the last time the developers actually reached out to the community for real suggestions and not cherry picked ones they have obviously already been working on?
    I support this post.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lexia View Post
    Most likely the same reason why the got rid of the visible waist item.
    Those items are still visible!
    They've just been permenantly attatched to the chest slot...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaranTatsuuchi View Post
    Those items are still visible!
    They've just been permenantly attatched to the chest slot...
    Yes, and it will be mostly no poblem to add a slot for invisible glasses, but nobody would want it.
    And the devs already said that they want to design more hat+glass combinations
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    Last edited by Felis; 07-09-2016 at 03:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worldofneil View Post
    Glamour wasn't added until 2.2 and from I can gather they didn't originally plan to have glamouring, it was bolted on later after we requested it so much. So to sort of answer your question, they didn't knowingly create a system with expansion issues, it just wasn't in there from the start, so now they're trying to work around the framework they have.
    But isn't that an even bigger case of creating a system with expansion issues? In a modern MMO, either glamour or at the very least a plan for how glamour would be added, really should have been in there from the start. It's not as though people's desire for it should have come as any surprise.

    I love this game. It's a lot of fun. But it seems like every problem with it comes down to stuff they have a hard time fixing because they'd failed to anticipate easily predictable stuff. Yes, they have to work within the framework they have, but they built that framework, and it's rather disconcerting that working within it seems to cause difficulty with just about everything.
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    Last edited by Niwashi; 07-09-2016 at 04:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
    But isn't that an even bigger case of creating a system with expansion issues?
    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
    it seems like every problem with it comes down to stuff they have a hard time fixing because they'd failed to anticipate easily predictable stuff.
    Well easily predictable does seem harsh to me, but to be honest with you, I agree completely it does seem like things could have been predicted better. We don't really know the circumstances at the time though and the original game (2010) didn't have glamours and I don't know if that was a big thing in many games back then (I don't play other MMOs), but even with the relaunch in 2013, they were likely under a lot of pressure to get a decent game out ASAP and maybe corners were cut to meet deadlines or maybe the PS3 really is that limited.

    I've never written anything for a PS3, so I'm not really familiar with its limitations, but it does seem that although initially one of its strengths was to have multiple platform support, it does seem to be biting us now.

    Quote Originally Posted by niwaar View Post
    YoshiP has already indicated that PS3 support will more than likely end with 4.0 so I do not really see this as an issue.
    That doesn't necessarily mean playing on a PS3 will stop immediately though, only that whenever support is dropped, it'll be unlikely there will be any future expansions. So we might get some cool stuff in expansion packs, but the limitations imposed onto the core system of how things work would likely remain for quite some time after. As long as they have a high number of subscribers playing (and paying) on PS3, I can't see them really willing to terminate them.
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