Scholar Raidind with new Ast

[Clouse_Cleyra]

Hi guys.
Im a sch and i did all coil back in the days with a whm so we knew very well how to heal together.

The thing is im recently back to the game and im gonna heal with an ast new to raiding.
As i was 5 month away from the game idk ast skills and how they complement with sch.
Can he solo heal while i dps?
Do i leave aoe heals for him while y keep tank alive?
Does he needs to always be on day stance?
Is a good team sch/ast?
Any advice is welcome.

Ty in advance

[Ghishlain]

Diurnal (Day stance) is very similar to WHM and offer similar healing power to WHM with some nuanced differences in application. Bear in mind that without a WHM, neither of you will have a MND party bonus so your healing / DPS will be slightly weaker due to that and thus you may need to add a little bit more healing than what you're used to doing.

It's better for him to stay in Diurnal (Day stance) versus Nocturnal (night stance) because his shields will override your shields and your shields have the potential to be much more powerful than your AST.

SCH/AST works fine as a combination, you both just need to work around the differences. That comes with time and gaining a trust and understanding with your healing partner.

[Sidra]

In general, there are no major differences between healing with a WHM or AST as they main healer, only minor differences. It fills the same role in the same manner. They should still be solo healing all of the parts a WHM normally solo heals in Diurnal Stance, adding some dps, and handling the bulk of AOE heals as well. I think there are a few things to look out for though:

1.) AST does not have Cure 3. So in a strong AOE situation where people are clumped, you may want to toss out an Indom to supplement their Helios because they dont have anything as potent as Cure3
2.) Ask when they plan to use their Synastry. It's the strongest healing buff in the game. If they are using it to heal 2 targets, it may allow you to dps where with a WHM you would have been healing a 2nd target. And if they are using it on the same target they are healing, even in a heavy damage situation - don't waste mana on that target, it will be overheal.
3.) Disable and Virus stack, and Disable in on just a 60 sec CD. Communicate - decide if you wanna ultra debuff certain things, or plan them out so more stuff is debuffed
4.) Their Aspected Helios, the MedicaII equivalent, has a range of 15y instead of a WHMs 20 - so keep an eye out for people who may be missed on the outskirts and be ready to send a Physick or Embrace that way.

[TatoRazzino]

Some other things:

1) ASTs bubble is really powerful. It reduces damage by 10% and puts a regen on each target under it that lasts even after they get out of the bubble. The regen is refreshed if they linger long enough. You can also coordinate this bubble with your Sacred Soil for smart mitigation. This is something WHM can't do and can really lose the burden of not having a Cure III;

2) If you see the AST's main target getting low while your partner is doing other things, it may be a situation in which your co-healer is planning on using Essential Dignity. It's an instant healing skill that gets increased potency when the target has lower HP. It can reach 1000 potency in Holmgang/Living Dead situations (when the target has 1 HP), so it's really powerful. Pay attention to that so you don't waste any Lustrates because of panic;

3) ASTs have a very decent sustained damage toolkit. Combust and Combust II are two DoTs that work much like Bio and Bio II: one lasts for 18s and the other for 30s, and both of them bypass accuracy requirements. In fact, Combust II is 100 potency stronger than Bio II. Your healing partner may try to keep those two DoTs up, so you may see him in Cleric Stance more often than you would see a WHM. The AST/SCH combo allows for very high DPS output if both healers co-operate in every aspect, including DoT management. It's sometimes better if you both stance dance to keep your DoTs up than if only one of you stays in Cleric. If you both interchange the main healing every now and then, your AST can use two GCDs to apply his DoTs when you would be doing your Broil rotation, with the benefit of his DoTs adding the 690 potency I mentioned and being a 100% chance hit – two Broils would only add up to 340 potency, which is less than half what you get from Combust and Combust II. This requires A LOT of coordination, but it pays off. A WHM could do it as well, but it's not a guaranteed hit, so use this AST characteristic to your advantage;

[technole]

1.) AST does not have Cure 3. So in a strong AOE situation where people are clumped, you may want to toss out an Indom to supplement their Helios because they dont have anything as potent as Cure3
4.) Their Aspected Helios, the MedicaII equivalent, has a range of 15y instead of a WHMs 20 - so keep an eye out for people who may be missed on the outskirts and be ready to send a Physick or Embrace that way.

1) Helios is fine or multiples. For something heavy like splashes a light speed helios is arguably better for MP. It's not a big deal to have Cure III in the current raid situation unlike T9/T13. Sometimes it's a bit overkill in A3S. Basically, a SCH doesn't need to blow a stack for Indom just because an AST is in the picture.

4) Raid awareness and communication with raid should avert this. There is no reason for anyone except the tanks to be out of 15y range in places like A1S for AoEs. AST can fix stranglers quickly with an Aspected. There is absolutely no reason for a SCH to get out of cleric stance because of this.

[Kabzy]

I raid with an AST and I haven't really missed WHM in any way. They can solo heal when needed, their AoE heals in diurnal are more than enough to keep the party alive, and SCH/AST is a very viable composition. The only thing kind of missed was the 20y Medica II range, but we simply have our DPS being more aware of where they are standing and that problem was alleviated. Moves like Cure III are hardly needed in savage fights, and I'd much rather take Synastry to allow me to stay in Cleric even longer.

[Clouse_Cleyra]

Ty for the replies. Im totally calm then.
Last question, i read as both are pie healers the pie bonus pie for the party is double, is that true?

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Ty for the replies. Im totally calm then.
Last question, i read as both are pie healers the pie bonus pie for the party is double, is that true?

no

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[AeraLure]

Related question:

I stance dance. A lot. I love doing it and it's how I play all my 4-player content, as well as 8-player with some friends in at least key roles.

However, I'm finding sometimes in DF 8-man content, if I am not paired with another WHM, sometimes the train goes completely off the rails in a bad way the minute I move to stance dance a little when it looks safe. As if there's no support healing helping out at all (even though I'm pretty fast coming out of CS). As that usually happens with an AST co-healer more than with a SCH, are both jobs pretty much expecting me to solo heal and they're not planning on doing any patch-up healing at all? Do you find that the norm?

[technole]

With duty finder random partners I always say assume the worst. The other healer won't do any damage so usually let them solo the easy stuff. You know how the script goes. The usual Medica II and then Medica right-after because of their full-life bar OCD. Or not as comfortable with the way things are. But for like serious tank buster stuff, personally I like to never assume the other healer is going to handle that right.

It's not out of the ordinary to examine gear to get an idea. Gear doesn't say everything so it's never a full assumption but it may determine how competent they are. Compliment of Savage/Thordan gear (So they play end-game, so mechanics might be in-check...maybe) or all Law/dungeon gear (Could mean likely newer healer/alt job at this cycle of the game)