Please don't join endgame content with a job you dont know how to play

[Leigaon]

I am sorry you had that experience OP, like some of the others posts have said it doesn't start at just Endgame content..it's throughout the entire game.

there is one major thing I've noticed so far and that is a FC is nothing more than a place to gather and chill out. In 1.0 when we had to run along a dungeon to get our AF, or farm Garuda..take out the White Raven, we played with a normal set of people most of the time. This encouraged my LS at the time to help each other out and people learned their jobs. Even in 2.0 I had an astounding group of people, for the most part, who encouraged training for those who needed to get to a certain spot. The leader at the time was a wonderful, and well level headed person who encouraged the higher ups and help the others perform better but in a good way. I became better because of that.

As time went on and as we hit into 3.0 my other groups of people became more of a place to hang and say hi. Sure we craft for each other and if someone needed it, they will gear up what is needed to help people. My FC now are made of truly outstanding and helpful people. The game though doesn't encourage much interaction with FC members as it use to or like in the forbidden game FFXI. Maybe that's the problem. Where people would have to FATE grind if the XP parties provided something could do and run over and over, learning their job. For a MMO, I really feel like I'm doing it alone a lot of the time.

Still, very fun game..I adore FFXIV and appreciate the beauty of it all.

[Doki]

Please don't join endgame with a bad attitude and be so generally annoying in voice chat that everyone mutes you and eventually ejects you from the group entirely. At the end of the day, people play the game to have fun, and not be talked down to. Regardless of how wide a gap you perceive between your skill level and other players, it's still a team effort, and learning will always be part of that.

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

If a player says its their first time doing something on a certain job, I will give them the benefit of doubt, I main SCH but my very first clear of A1S was as a PLD, the WAR was my friend who guided me on voip on when to use CD's and it went very well, though my damage was a bit on the low side (getting better now that I am getting the hang of the fight) Hell my first clear of T9 was as a MNK, I am not a very good MNK, for the entire run, I was pretty much panic slamming the keys and we actually beat it, I was just as surprised as everyone else (at least I wasn't lowest DPS)

As long as you know what your role is and can execute it properly, you won't hear any objections from me, I won't tolerate people looking for a cheap carry though.

[SnugglesD]

I know it used to stack...

But I've been playing an alt on Balmung and haven't been on my AST for a while now...

It absolutely DOES stack and just goes to show that maybe the OP should learn their job a little better before pointing fingers.

Before the AST buffs, two diurnal sects was preferable to ever using nocturnal. Noct used to be so useless that no one ever used it.

[DarkmoonVael]

It absolutely DOES stack and just goes to show that maybe the OP should learn their job a little better before pointing fingers.

Before the AST buffs, two diurnal sects was preferable to ever using nocturnal. Noct used to be so useless that no one ever used it.

Aspected Benefic and Aspected Helios from two Diurnal Sect AST will overwrite each other, not stack like Regen and Medica II will do from two different WHM.

[KyahAlmasy]

It absolutely DOES stack and just goes to show that maybe the OP should learn their job a little better before pointing fingers.

Before the AST buffs, two diurnal sects was preferable to ever using nocturnal. Noct used to be so useless that no one ever used it.

The irony.

Aspected Benefic, and Aspected Helios absolutely DOES NOT stack. Goes to show that maybe you should learn the job a little better before pointing fingers.

[KyahAlmasy]

Well all I have left to contribute is to say if you don't like inexperienced players in your end game content don't use the Duty Finder. That should be common sense. If you use DF expect the absolute worst, because you WILL get it. PF is there for people like you who don't want to deal with this.

Edit: Yeah T9 takes coordination* and effort to clear too. Unsynced at level 60 may not require as much effort but coordination is still needed. Besides if you are syncing to clear either ARR raids or HW raids (Savage Alex, normal is a joke) both require a lot of effort so don't try to distract from the fact that according to your stated parameters (aside from needing level 60 to participate) that ARR end content no longer qualifies as being end game because you can gimp it. That's a pretty weak excuse.

I think the fact that the content isn't level 60 is a pretty large factor in this. It's not distracting from anything, the content is gimped severely and requires very little coordination when you're level 60. Especially if you do know the fight, then there's no challenge at all. It seems like you're more focused on trying to split hairs and argue semantics, than make any valid point.

secondly, I'm not referring to DF exclusively, the event that elicited this thread was an encounter in PF

[TheUltimateSeph]

I think the fact that the content isn't level 60 is a pretty large factor in this. It's not distracting from anything, the content is gimped severely and requires very little coordination when you're level 60. Especially if you do know the fight, then there's no challenge at all. It seems like you're more focused on trying to split hairs and argue semantics, than make any valid point.

secondly, I'm not referring to DF exclusively, the event that elicited this thread was an encounter in PF

You are right. I am so sorry. I totally should be making a valid point here, like how the vast majority of your target audience for this thread who will see it and care is negligible at best. I understand the desire to vent and I have been in tons of horrible DF groups and a few horrible PF groups but I don't come on the forums and make a thread asking people to not do something because it interferes with my gameplay. That time could be better spent teaching others how to play, learning how to play myself or finding threads like this to respond to. :P

[KyahAlmasy]

You are right. I am so sorry. I totally should be making a valid point here, like how the vast majority of your target audience for this thread who will see it and care is negligible at best. I understand the desire to vent and I have been in tons of horrible DF groups and a few horrible PF groups but I don't come on the forums and make a thread asking people to not do something because it interferes with my gameplay. That time could be better spent teaching others how to play, learning how to play myself or finding threads like this to respond to. :P

To vent? This wasn't about venting, this was about giving advice to people who join endgame content with jobs they don't know, and usually it ends up with them getting flamed and kicked. Your whole argument seems to hinder the predicate that I'm some sort of hot-headed troll who explodes on anyone who pisses me off, though the irony is that I actually had to stop our whole raid to explain how AST works, which pissed a lot of people off. It's not that it interferes with just my gameplay, it makes everyone's gameplay overall unpleasant. The person doing it usually gets harassed, and everyone else feels like they have to carry dead weight, which isn't fair to them.

You're just very presumptious, and honestly, making an argument based solely off assumptions just sort of makes you look like an ass.

[TheUltimateSeph]

To vent? This wasn't about venting, this was about giving advice to people who join endgame content with jobs they don't know, and usually it ends up with them getting flamed and kicked. Your whole argument seems to hinder the predicate that I'm some sort of hot-headed troll who explodes on anyone who pisses me off, though the irony is that I actually had to stop our whole raid to explain how AST works, which pissed a lot of people off. It's not that it interferes with just my gameplay, it makes everyone's gameplay overall unpleasant. The person doing it usually gets harassed, and everyone else feels like they have to carry dead weight, which isn't fair to them.

You're just very presumptious, and honestly, making an argument based solely off assumptions just sort of makes you look like an ass.

Now who's making assumptions? I never said or implied that you are a hothead troll who explodes on everyone who pisses you off. The whole point of my last post was that most of the players this thread was aimed at probably don't read the forums so you're better off just telling them in game. There have been numerous threads started lately that seem to follow this trend of something something about bad or inexperienced players which is frankly getting kinda old. At least the Tales from the DF thread is kinda fun cause it's just peoples stories and good ones are mixed in.
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