When are we getting these stats back?

[Gunspec]

And building on what Galactimus said, if you are adding stats like "refresh", "conserve tp", "bonus enmity", etc, you're just creating the same situation you already have with accuracy.

You would start having the game designed so that a bare minimum of each stat is expected for a given class to perform adequately, but the stat is weighted so that you never really feel as if having an excess amount is helping you. It would likely turn into a penalty for any player who doesn't have a wide variety of gear options to choose from (tomes vs raid vs crafted gear, few players really have access to all 3), as those players would either be stuck below or above caps.

I can just imagine the tank who can't hold threat in dungeons due to not having enough +enmity, while another dungeon run would feature a tank who does no damage because he's weighted too far in the +enmity +mp regen stats. Then you'd have a fight between dps who don't want to waste stat allocation on -enmity stats, but the tanks want to do more damage and refuse to equip +enmity.

Yeah, let's pass on these stats.

[Kotemon]

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They also read like they were lifted off of XI in the sense of Paladin being able to self cure, magic ckills, etc... Possibly how the jobs were originally constructed. I rather not get back into skill leveling territory. Although I do see conserve MP as a possible job trait

[CyrilLucifer]

They also read like they were lifted off of XI in the sense of Paladin being able to self cure, magic ckills, etc... Possibly how the jobs were originally constructed. I rather not get back into skill leveling territory. Although I do see conserve MP as a possible job trait

Conserve MP done right by the devs could completely change the BLM meta in a good way, allowing for more options depending on the situation and battle, which is exactly what those of us who want more complex stats have been asking for. It would be one of the better stats to import over from XI.

[StouterTaru]

Conserve MP done right by the devs could completely change the BLM meta in a good way, allowing for more options depending on the situation and battle, which is exactly what those of us who want more complex stats have been asking for. It would be one of the better stats to import over from XI.

XI Conserve MP wouldn't work for BLM in XIV, especially with Enochain. A random chance at a random reduction in MP cost isn't that great when you have an unlimited MP pool and a strict timer to get into UI.

That (and the huge nerf to Piety in HW) took away one of the few job customizations out of the game, the Piety BLM.

[Felis]

Old materia table from 1.x



A least the double stat materias (like Ironman's materia Str & Vit) can the devs bring back, imo

[Gunspec]

Old materia table from 1.x

Man, that's like walking into Baskin Robins 31 flavors, and seeing strawberry, vanilla, chocolate, and 28 flavors of fish and meat flavored ice cream. Gimme a double scoop of enmity down and slow resistance please!

[Kurogaea]

And building on what Galactimus said, if you are adding stats like "refresh", "conserve tp", "bonus enmity", etc, you're just creating the same situation you already have with accuracy.

You would start having the game designed so that a bare minimum of each stat is expected for a given class to perform adequately, but the stat is weighted so that you never really feel as if having an excess amount is helping you. It would likely turn into a penalty for any player who doesn't have a wide variety of gear options to choose from (tomes vs raid vs crafted gear, few players really have access to all 3), as those players would either be stuck below or above caps.

I can just imagine the tank who can't hold threat in dungeons due to not having enough +enmity, while another dungeon run would feature a tank who does no damage because he's weighted too far in the +enmity +mp regen stats. Then you'd have a fight between dps who don't want to waste stat allocation on -enmity stats, but the tanks want to do more damage and refuse to equip +enmity.

Yeah, let's pass on these stats.

Who's to say we wont keep our base stats for enmity and accuracy and just have the weapon stats for bonuses?? Its about player choices for customization, adding more variables to gameplay.

@Galactimus So I guess dps like Ninja, Machinists, Dark Knight and Astrologen shouldn't be in the game as its just a new role doing the same thing? No, personalization and choices. Why can't people see this??

[Gunspec]

Who's to say we wont keep our base stats for enmity and accuracy and just have the weapon stats for bonuses??

You think they aren't going to consider the stat values players "should" have when designing raid content? I mentioned accuracy because it is a boring stat that we already have which functions this way.

They aren't just going to add new stats without balancing encounters and player skills around them. If they add "tp conserve" stats, you're going to see abilities start having higher TP costs OR a lower TP regeneration with the assumption that players will acquire X amount of the new stat to compensate, while diminishing returns will prevent the "tp conserve" stat from being a useful addition, even if you stack it on all of your gear.

Basically, with stats, you had a lot of them in old games because the complexity of the game was extremely limited in the CONTROL department. Diablo-esque games consisted of walking up to an enemy and slamming your attacks, while JRPGs were usually turn based and involved picking a spell or ability to match enemy weaknesses. The complexity was in the stats and elemental bonuses, because they couldn't make the fights complex otherwise given the tech limitations.

Even looking at an mmo from 7 or 8 years ago (when tons of stats on gear was popular) the mechanics of the average fight were a joke compared to the bosses we get in FFXIV. They've moved the complexity of the game from passive mechanics (do you have enough fire resistance?) to active (are you picking up the hp damaging orbs while protecting healers from adds while avoiding boss aoe while doing enough damage to prevent a wipe when the boss transitions to the next stage).

I'm much more interested in the types of tools I'll be given by a new ability, than by what minor "enhancement" is on my gear, especially when that enhancement is just one more thing that needs to be at "cap" to be effective.