Job Quests...please make them mandatory

[Ageofwar]

They kind of are mandatory since some of the skills are job quest rewards not to mention there is gear and weapons that are job only

mind you does seem kind of odd they didn't go to the effort of getting there Job Crystal

[MistakeNot]

They kind of are mandatory since some of the skills are job quest rewards not to mention there is gear and weapons that are job only

mind you does seem kind of odd they didn't go to the effort of getting there Job Crystal

That person might not even have known that jobs exist. In-game there is very little information about jobs, and nothing at all to indicate how important they are.
The quest that points you to your job-trainer is easy to miss or ignore, and then you never find out about jobs.

[Nyghtmarerobu]

That person might not even have known that jobs exist. In-game there is very little information about jobs, and nothing at all to indicate how important they are.
The quest that points you to your job-trainer is easy to miss or ignore, and then you never find out about jobs.

Did they seriously not ask any questions? I mean, they couldn't be THAT bad of a player to not notice that other people using the same weapons as them are called "Monks" instead of pugilist? Different icons in the party list? They had to have noticed at some point, and questioned why they were a pugilist instead of a monk, or just didn't care.

[The_Last_Dragoon]

That person might not even have known that jobs exist. In-game there is very little information about jobs, and nothing at all to indicate how important they are.
The quest that points you to your job-trainer is easy to miss or ignore, and then you never find out about jobs.

This is completely untrue since upon completing your lv30 class quest, they should have seen a red quest marker atop their quest giver. Even if they had "thought" it was a lv35 that it would unlock, they still should have been able to look at it and see the requirement for lv15 in another class. The only way this makes sense that they didn't "know" is if they didn't know they had to go back and do class quests at all whenever they gained 5 levels, and instead relied on the fact that you can literally be carried through the game now.

It also doesn't make sense that they got all the way to the Praetorium since I'm sure at least a few players pointed out during Brayflox's Longstop and onward that he needs to get his job crystal. The only real explanation is that he FATE grinded outside of the absolutely necessary dungeons and then either didn't understand when people tried to inform him about the job system or simply didn't care.

[Leigaon]

That person might not even have known that jobs exist. In-game there is very little information about jobs, and nothing at all to indicate how important they are.
The quest that points you to your job-trainer is easy to miss or ignore, and then you never find out about jobs.

I guess if you pay no attention and just go blindly in to the game you can miss things. The game does a lot of "Hey..you can do this!" but they also expect you to read a bit.

The quests tell you the next one is at level 5, then 10..then 15. So you were told to come back every so many levels. After all that you come back, seeing golden ! over a NPC. At 30 you finally see the red !, click on it. It says you cannot accept this until you have your secondary class leveled.

After that it's up to you to either say "Okay..now I just move on" or ask a friend "What's lancer? I need it to unlock this quest" or even look it up on the internet. It is a thought process. The person who didn't have their job unlocked shouldn't be put down in a harsh way, but rather told that an advanced job waits for them.

They can't make it more obvious. Well..I guess if they used that paperclip guy that you would see in Word. Just pops up "I see you're trying to select this quest. What would you like to know? Would you like me to teleport you there? If you could please walk away from your computer..I'll level this for you. You go have a pint on me, you earned it!"

[MistakeNot]

I guess if you pay no attention and just go blindly in to the game you can miss things. The game does a lot of "Hey..you can do this!" but they also expect you to read a bit.

The quests tell you the next one is at level 5, then 10..then 15. So you were told to come back every so many levels. After all that you come back, seeing golden ! over a NPC. At 30 you finally see the red !, click on it. It says you cannot accept this until you have your secondary class leveled.

Actually it would probably be more like: See the red "!", think "Oh, I must not be high enough level yet" - because that is pretty much the only reason for quests being red until then - continue with your playing and forget all about it. It is not even obvious one can click on the red "!" to get more information.
(And the quests will only tell you to go back at level 5. After that it will not tell you to go back for the next one, you need to figure that out for yourself.)

[Leigaon]

Actually it would probably be more like: See the red "!", think "Oh, I must not be high enough level yet" - because that is pretty much the only reason for quests being red until then - continue with your playing and forget all about it. It is not even obvious one can click on the red "!" to get more information.
(And the quests will only tell you to go back at level 5. After that it will not tell you to go back for the next one, you need to figure that out for yourself.)

I guess the struggle is real? There are two sides to every situation, and from there branch off to even more..it's all big "What If..." marvel scenario. Figuring out you have a quest waiting for you every 5 levels is not something that should require a ton of thought. If you are exploring it will happen naturally. Maybe the earlier ones do not tell you, if so I am wrong and it's just in the journal.

Still if you do the normal things that come in a MMO such as exploring by running around to seeing what this quest gives, talking with friends or FC \ LS members, if you have the internet you may read more about the game online. There are so many scenarios where you can gather information about this game compared to missing it. People love to chit chat. Heck even in dungeons if I see someone as a job I'll say "You'll love it when you're a Dragoon!" and they'll ask questions "When do I get that?" ..bam..now he knows...and we all can say that knowing is half the battle.

There are ways to find out, even then there are people who find out and do not put the job on. I had a Gladiator who was level 49 doing the guy with two shields trial. Basically told us that PLD wasn't that good and he does better as Gladiator. This game isn't too hard to figure out. 11..now that was a pain.

If you believe it to be too difficult for new people then make the suggestion on the forums. I feel they need to be social, 15 minutes talking with someone about this game who has played and you'll know about everything.

[MistakeNot]

Still if you do the normal things that come in a MMO such as exploring by running around to seeing what this quest gives, talking with friends or FC \ LS members, if you have the internet you may read more about the game online. There are so many scenarios where you can gather information about this game compared to missing it. People love to chit chat. Heck even in dungeons if I see someone as a job I'll say "You'll love it when you're a Dragoon!" and they'll ask questions "When do I get that?" ..bam..now he knows...and we all can say that knowing is half the battle.

One can learn it all, sure. But some people are just not going to read any guides unless they are forced to. And why should they? They surely expect the game itself to tell them what they need to know.
Me? I read guides, but I am under no illusion that everyone else does.

As for chit-chat I have not seen much of it in the game. Outside of my FC (and many people don't join any Free Company for a long time, if ever) I have seen very little chit-chat. Most dungeon runs I have been on have had practically no talking at all, and certainly no discussions of anything outside the dungeon itself.

As for linkshells - I know they exist, and that is all I know about them. Again they are not exactly something the game goes out of its way to teach you about.

For those who really want to learn and are willing to spend some time and energy on finding information there are plenty of resources where one can do so, no doubt about that.
But unless one actively seeks out the information (and lots of people won't) there are many things in the game that are very easy to miss, unless one just happens to stumble across them.

As an example, from checking some guide I see that one can unlock something called Treasure Hunting by doing a level 36 quest. I am currently level 44 and I have yet to come across that quest by just playing the game. I could of course go and look for it - but only because I know it exists, something I know only because I checked a (player-created) guide.

[Sorata]

Interesting debate on both side of @Leigaon and @MistakeNot, but maybe I'm a little older and have been playing games for a lot longer, as much as I think things can always be clearer, I am siding @Leigaon over this one.

Every single red "!" tells you what is the criteria to unlock it. I can see someone over leveled the first 30 levels and went back to do their class quests, and therefore see no red "!". But that still doesn't explain why you would not click onto a red "!" later at a job quest.

Unless the job quest is not within the range of anywhere you will visit, the red "!" is very hard to miss even if you do very minor walking around, and if someone see that icon and choose not to click on reading, that is pretty ignorant by nature.

[Leigaon]

As for chit-chat I have not seen much of it in the game. Outside of my FC (and many people don't join any Free Company for a long time, if ever) I have seen very little chit-chat. Most dungeon runs I have been on have had practically no talking at all, and certainly no discussions of anything outside the dungeon itself.

Maybe there is a lack of conversation in the dungeon parties, since people are there to get things done. And some don't want to talk at all or can't, some do not have a USB keyboard. If you start the chitter chatter sometimes you get nothing, sometimes you get something that makes a boring run fun. Of course there is the occasional guy who gets upset because you don't finish it 30 seconds earlier so they can move on..but what can you?

Maybe there needs to be a lot more hand holding for those who don't wish to try to figure things out. Usually those are the ones who don't care enough. Not in a bad way, some people just want to do one thing. This game isn't made for that though.

Our FC is filled with new people now which is why I can only go so far into the whole they aren't informed enough. We have active conversations constantly about rotations for crafting, people asking how to start jobs, gear, main story line quests. One thing, people LOVE telling you what they know.

If anything this shows more that social interaction in a MMO should be encouraged. Not everyone wants a guide, not everyone wants to explore and find everything some just want to be hand held and told "You can do this..go here". Maybe the game doesn't tell you every bit of information, or maybe it does and it's just overlooked by people and it's in the "wrong" place.

Still in my years of playing a lot of what I learn is through exploration, communication and being so in love with the game I look up tid-bits online because I want to know more. Not everyone is like that. Then again if you try to cater to every single individual, that's just as bad too.

People get upset when you lock them out so I don't know about making things mandatory. In 1.0 you would have a linkspearl com to talk to people...we would get messages for them to come see them. Could bring that back, but we have to go only so far before the game is playing the game for them, they're just...there. A person playing should want to know more, be better and have the incentive to learn more and not be afraid to speak out if they feel uncomfortable or unsure. In return people need to be kinder to these new people who might have issues with optimal rotation, lack of job / gear iLV requirements.