Why do so many people FAIL at dps.

[Pinkie_Pie]

I honestly don't understand, my buddy and I were doing a Aery dungeon, He was the tank and I was the mch and the funny thing is, there was another mch in level 60 full geared out in 200, whatever, hes helping his healer friend or something ok.

We start pullling and guess what? I'm top dps, by 200-300 dps then the other mch reported by my friend. Seeing as we can't harass that guy for doing low dps we truck on through the dungeon and as we get to the second boss I noticed something, he doesn't have his barrel on, I asked why hes not using it and he said "Can't stand the cast times, I can get more dps without since I can dps on the go" THAT BLEW MY MIND! Ok, whatever, I let it slide but then I get in an expert and I have an ninja dps (I was the monk) and i'm just watching him not even cast huton at *all* and when he did do it, he let it fall off. Thats not including all the times he never used trick attack or could even keep up shadow fang/mut on any mobs.

Seriously, what is UP with dps these days. Why are they so lazy, why are they so *bad*? is it cause they use a controller? maybe they think its hello kitty island or Guild wars 2? I don't know!

Edit: Well, I wanted to make a thread about dps trying to be lazy in dungeons examples of void ark, dps just auto attacking afk, spamming one skill while semi afk and also those who just push buttons, don't watch their debuff dots or rotations etc, only to be countered claimed and bashed on based off my clear groups dps(Which I had no consent on posting them) when I did dps on whether it was tanking or dps role. Thought I did say I can pick up a dps class, fully maximize the dps and say its easy, I was wrong but it doesn't change the fact I try my very best to try to do the good dps required for the group and not be a hindrance unlike people just semi afk or not knowing their class and so on. People say they I was schooled, but to be honest I'm trying to show the trouble that's hiding infront of us that is never really discussed cause people always ignore it or counter it by saying "They pay money, they can do what they want".

You are bad at this game and the fact that it was shown in a topic complaining about other people's performance makes it so much sweeter

The performance I had in my clear groups may not be the top in the server dps as a tank or undergeared dps but it was enough for our group to clear but also showed that I did my very best to do my dps. What say to those who just afk dps in void ark or do know their class rotations let alone just not try.

As far as dungeons go, a good reason is that those who are already geared, but are grinding dungeons for ESO for maybe an alt or whatever reason, just go in, and do the bare minimum because thta's all that's required in basic lv. 60 dungeons. It's not like they're hard and require a huge amount of effort, just basic knowledge and basic rotations will get you through just fine. Even in Alex and Ark, people could do the basic necessities.

ALso, arguing about dps in 4 man dungeons is just stupid unless they're just auto attacking *only* or is afk. The dungeons can almost be 2 manned now.

When doing alex floor 1, we had 3 dps not even care to dps, mostly just doing afk rotations or macros, the boss enraged 3 times before the veto happened. In the level 60 dungeons when tanking the bombs required to die, had a brd semi afk just spamming straight shot and a few skills here and there, bombs never died fast enough leaving them to blow up in our face, healer was new so it was a wipe, this happened 2 times. When confronted he said "I know what I'm doing"

Clearly you guys fell into OP's bait. This here is a troll thread.

When ever anyone tries to bring up a discussion in a topic that is true, they think its bait or some kind of troll thread when events like this on dps being semi afk or not caring or not knowing their class truly does happen.

Quit throwing things out of context. There's no reason for you to be dying to avoidable damage if you care about not being a waste of a party slot. The person you're replying to isn't even talking about deaths in general (which at times can be out of your control), but deaths that you yourself caused (Not getting yourself killed). On top of that, being undergeared is a liability to your survival anyway, and on top of that Thordan has a Ilvl requirement so unless you're boosting your Ilvl with accessories (which is a different problem), you can't be undergeared.

I threw things out of context when someone posted my logs without my consent and now everyone is using that against me, saying I shouldn't have a voice to speak out about this, and that I am a troll or this is bait, yes, I did die in my fight, twice in fact, one doing pizza slices and second doing the aoe phase but I did the very best of my abilities for that clear as a dps spot, we downed him and it made me happy when we did, nobody is going to take that achievement away from me or try to use that as a weapon to speak out against dps that are lazy like in void ark or crystal tower or so on.

it *would* be *a* crime *for* someone *to* want to *use* some *sort* of *dps* meter as a *weapon* against someone, wouldn't *it*?

I strongly *advise* you to *consider* going from *a* glass *house* to *plastic*

...how is "getting carried" not "being lazy while DPSing"?

I got carried cause my dps was supbar unlike the fully geared item 200+ group I was in but I did my very best to add to the group, I didn't just be half afk not caring on "If I get the clear, I get the clear so I'm going to push buttons" mentally.

Yes but the OP has REASONS for bad DPS (common things like being dead, bad gear etc) whereas no one else from the df could possibly have reasons nearly as important....

OPs reasons count - everyone else just has excuses...

Nobody cares, they see only the numbers I did in my clear group and is using that against me and lashing out for speaking out about other dps. They think I should not have a voice about it unless my dps is top notch of the very best sad to say, it enraged me.

The fact of the matter is, you made some very elitist statements pertaining to other DPS players in your original post. You claimed that you can just pick up a DPS class and maximize its potential, and further stated that it's easy to do so. I mean... seriously? I feel that I'm pretty decent as a monk, but I won't come running to the official forums basically claiming to be the Queen of Monks and that I can poop out maximum DPS on it. I think you're confusing "I know my rotation and am passably competent on the class," with "I know how to fully maximize DPS." Anyone that reads tooltips and takes the time to figure out how the skills fit together on the most basic level can be passably competent at a class. Maximizing DPS takes time, practice, and gear.

And like I said, I was wrong on that statement and made it elitist but I was upset doing that void ark dungeon with half the groups half afk and me doing my very best. It felt wrong and made the run 4 times longer (Including the wipes due to people not moving and while half afk) I may not be the queen of monks but I will do my damndest to try to give out my fullest attention and knowledge I can give, another reason I was upset and made the thread only for it to backfire and blowup in my face and people only to turn and bite at me instead of confirming there are people that do semi afk or not know their class and just play to sake to play.

You know what, I'm done. You guys want to twist my words, use dps logs against me and call me a troll, whatever, i'm done, to the people who agreed with me. thank you, we all see those type of people in like the void ark and crystal tower and so on, to the people that kept attacking me or tried to be passive aggressive towards me

I hate all.

After all trying to defend myself, it landed on deft ears to some which frustrated me, not only did it frustrated me that I'm not even giving my best in dungeons anymore nor even do thordin ex anymore, I feel if this is how the community see how dps should act, I guess if you can't beat them or talk about them, might as well join them. That passion fire inside me is gone now and I honestly believe that with how people using logs against me, unless I'm server top or near the top, I have no voice and should say nothing and do nothing.

Nothing wrong with tapping out man, especially when you've been schooled.

Another reason I'm not going to speak out about this or even talk about this anymore, people like that don't care what I say or the topic involved and another reason the fire burned inside me to do my very best in this game anymore.

I won't bring this up anymore, I just... don't care anymore. I honestly believed people would understand this cause but, I was wrong and...not give my all anymore, this thread and comment towards me, confirmed that.

Good bye everyone. *sigh*

[SpookyGhost]

Game doesn't show DPS numbers. Game doesn't teach you anything about your job. Game doesn't challenge you until end game raiding so people skid by on their bare minimum DPS. Etc.

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

So many people think that they are hitting harder by doing certain things because they see the enemy hp bar going down fast but actually what's happening is they are being carried by the other dps.

[Atoli]

I can pick up a dps class and fully maximize the dps of that said *class* cause its easy.

Good for you. I personally have no trouble picking up new languages super fast, but I don't go around the world and tell everyone how much they suck because they aren't as gifted.
Are you the type of person to go up to someone in a wheelchair and ask them why they don't run as fast as you?
There are VARIOUS reasons for people to play their class worse than you, and it's incredibly rude to just assume they are lazy just because they stuggle with something that comes easy to you.

[Jamillion]

Really? You can reach max DPS on any and all classes? You sure about that? Anyways, people have no feedback or training on maxing deeps, so how can you expect them to, really? And it's got nothing to do with using a controller, several top raiders use gamepads.

[Avin00]

Controller makes no difference as to how much dps you can do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VB2S4k72ZI, SMN doing over 2k dps on AS1 with a controller so don't go all pc master race on us.

[Pinkie_Pie]

Game doesn't show DPS numbers. Game doesn't teach you anything about your job. Game doesn't challenge you until end game raiding so people skid by on their bare minimum DPS. Etc.

Well, this wouldn't be bad if end game wasn't all about "STRICT DPS CHECKS". not even WoW has super super high strict dps checks. I mean, like, my father plays a hunter and my sister-in-law plays a ele shaman and they pull high dps in heroic *raids* in WoW.

But then again, maybe you are right with that, cause in WoW, my father and my sister in law got dps meters and they are always practicing on how to fully maximize their dps and look up guides on how to do it on WoWhead or something.

[Kallera]

Oh look its this thread again...let us all dance around the issue once more before 3.2...

[Pinkie_Pie]

Good for you. I personally have no trouble picking up new languages super fast, but I don't go around the world and tell everyone how much they suck because they aren't as gifted.
Are you the type of person to go up to someone in a wheelchair and ask them why they don't run as fast as you?
There are VARIOUS reasons for people to play their class worse than you, and it's incredibly rude to just assume they are lazy just because they stuggle with something that comes easy to you.

Well, they need to *stop* playing their class incredibly worse then anyone. The heavensward end game requires you to at least *know* how to play your class and stop being carried. Yes, in this game, its QUITE easy to dps. For mchs, its just procs with off GCD's and yet there are many that mchs can't seem to get that right.

Really? You can reach max DPS on any and all classes? You sure about that? Anyways, people have no feedback or training on maxing deeps, so how can you expect them to, really? And it's got nothing to do with using a controller, several top raiders use gamepads.

Really, its not hard to look up youtube guides or look up guides on how to play a class effectively.

Controller makes no difference as to how much dps you can do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VB2S4k72ZI, SMN doing over 2k dps on AS1 with a controller so don't go all pc master race on us.

I know some people that play on keyboard and are terrible at it but the most come from controller players due to not enough buttons or controls scheme. Kinda like I can't play Mass effect on Keyboard/mouse.

[AskaRay]

Endgame, it is required to know what you're doing yeah...
so why are you complaining about a leveling dungeon run? In the DF, with random people?
These things are very, very different.

Though yes, people should probably spend longer times learning their class and reading their skills.