precise touch vs innovation?

[bigcd]

Just pondering on something since my cp is kind of low I find that most rotations require me to choose between a precise touch or an innovation for the BB closer (unless I get a tricks I can take).

Wondering at what point is a precise touch more powerful then an innovation in terms of overall quality progress?

[OoglieBooglie]

To be honest, I really don't even use innovation unless I happen to have extra cp and happen to have an extra slot for my cross class skills.

[Shorty]

Most people only use innovation at the end anyways. PT, however, can be used early to boost your stacks (bigger progress later and bigger BB). So I'd say PT takes priority if you have to choose.

[MariaNyan]

PT equals 2 stacks of iq, innovation equals one. The only exception is when iq is at 11 stacks and not further boostable, thats when innovation is better.

[Silverbane]

I had something posted but it did not agree with the simulator at Rhoda Baker and Gordon Tyler's Crafting Simulator so I had to rethink it.

OK I rethought it. HT + an Innov-buffed BB is better than PT + BB without Innov -- if the HT suceeds.
If the HT fails, it's much worse. Once you factor in the odds of failing, the expected values are about the same, with a slight edge to PT.

If you are late in the craft, and you know that that PT followed by BB without Innov will get you the quality you need, I say cut your risk and go for it. Using the simulator to figure that out (while you craft) is one way to do that.

[Alisi]

Wondering at what point is a precise touch more powerful then an innovation in terms of overall quality progress?

Innovation is for the ending. PT isn't. PT is simply for the purpose of building Inner stacks faster. The number of Inner stacks is turned into quality with the two finishers (GS + In) and BB. Since the actual amount of HQ% doesn't matter, Inn is wasted earlier on. HOWEVER! if I get a good close to an end, I'll turn it into CP if I lack the amount of CP needed or GS and BB.

[Natsuki]

Innovation is for the ending. PT isn't. PT is simply for the purpose of building Inner stacks faster. The number of Inner stacks is turned into quality with the two finishers (GS + In) and BB. Since the actual amount of HQ% doesn't matter, Inn is wasted earlier on. HOWEVER! if I get a good close to an end, I'll turn it into CP if I lack the amount of CP needed or GS and BB.

Well this kinda ;p i also realy use inovation a step before byregots to fish for a good/execelent in all other cases i'll likely choose precise touch, unless i think i dont have enough cp to finish then i'll pop a Trick of Trade

[Roth_Trailfinder]

PT equals 2 stacks of iq, innovation equals one. The only exception is when iq is at 11 stacks and not further boostable, thats when innovation is better.

Nope.

PT = 2 stacks of IQ. 1 base, 1 bonus. Odds are you would have gotten the base IQ anyway, making PT really only worth 1 extra stack. Each stack is worth 20% of your base Control.
Innovation is worth 50% of your base Control.

Early on, PT is better because it will boost your subsequent Touches.
Towards the end, Innovation is better, especially when talking about in your BB Finisher.

[StouterTaru]

choose between a precise touch or an innovation

That's not what you're choosing, though. Your choice is either:

Good Condition Hasty + Innovation vs Precise
or
ToT + Basic + Innovation vs Precise

In the end the difference between 1 more stack of IQ (and the extra quality in reaching in) vs and Innovation on your BB is small.

[Shadygrove]

Just pondering on something since my cp is kind of low I find that most rotations require me to choose between a precise touch or an innovation for the BB closer (unless I get a tricks I can take).

Wondering at what point is a precise touch more powerful then an innovation in terms of overall quality progress?

It seems to me that you are asking the wrong question.

IMHO your question should be "How do I get more CPs without going broke?"