Gerun Oracles

[Kallera]

Clever old geezer... but, what does this have to do with the Gerun Oracles?

This may be speculation based on Elidibus's words, but The Gerun Oracles seem suggest that history is cyclical, and that the current events of Eorzea are following a pattern of events that happen throughout the ages. Nidhogg's ultimate fate and willingness to cheat death may play into it, if someone were to suggest lockin him away somewhere...or if it sparks the rise of imperial ambitions.

[Morningstar1337]

This may be speculation based on Elidibus's words, but The Gerun Oracles seem suggest that history is cyclical, and that the current events of Eorzea are following a pattern of events that happen throughout the ages. Nidhogg's ultimate fate and willingness to cheat death may play into it, if someone were to suggest lockin him away somewhere...or if it sparks the rise of imperial ambitions.

So Eternal Recurrence then. That has me wondering if certain trends repeated in the other Astral/Umbral eras (Besides the Warriors of Light)

[Nalien]

This may be speculation based on Elidibus's words, but The Gerun Oracles seem suggest that history is cyclical, and that the current events of Eorzea are following a pattern of events that happen throughout the ages.

Was it that history is cyclical? I thought it came off more as simply implying that events were preordained; Whatever is going to happen was scripted to happen.

As for Nidhogg... We have him flying off for "skies unknown"... If he wanted Midgardsormrs help to fight a Primal, and now feels betrayed by Middy, who has sided with us... Who would you go to for help? A certain Eikon hating Empire, that also historically "put down" Middy, perhaps? Would be a good way to instigate an Eorzean/Garlemald conflict and push us towards Ala Mhigo for 4.0.

[Frederick22]

Was it that history is cyclical? I thought it came off more as simply implying that events were preordained; Whatever is going to happen was scripted to happen.

As for Nidhogg... We have him flying off for "skies unknown"... If he wanted Midgardsormrs help to fight a Primal, and now feels betrayed by Middy, who has sided with us... Who would you go to for help? A certain Eikon hating Empire, that also historically "put down" Middy, perhaps? Would be a good way to instigate an Eorzean/Garlemald conflict and push us towards Ala Mhigo for 4.0.

Before its say ortherwise on the MSQ quest. Lets say for now that none of Middy's sons ( exept Tiamat ) knows that his father is helping the WoL.

[Nalien]

Before its say ortherwise on the MSQ quest. Lets say for now that none of Middy's sons ( exept Tiamat ) knows that his father is helping the WoL.

Would it be hard for him to find out? I mean, we flew back to Ishgard on Midgardsormr... Word is bound to get around eventually... Although given Nidhoggs temper, and the simple fact that Midgardsormr went from joining the chorus to... Not... I can imagine Nidhogg being slightly peeved at daddy regardless. If he wanted Middys aid for dealing with Thordan, then the next best thing would be the army that went toe to toe with Middy, surely?

As for allying with Garlemald, "ally" is perhaps too strong a word. My favorite theory is still that Lahabrea is alive and well as an eye floater, and will compel Nidhogg towards something stupid (like summoning Bahamut unto himself, giving us some new bastardization of Bahamut (probably Shinryu, poor Tiamat...) to bring Omega into the plot), but considering where he could be flying off to? If we're rounding up the Dragonsong War soon, he can't be going far. Then we have 4.0, granted we have no real idea where that will be going, but one assumes a conflict with Garlemald. Having him storm in there (and I wonder if he can revert back to Estinien form for negotiations...), go "Yo, Ishgard summoned a Primal", then bugger off, that could instigate a new conflict for 4.0.

He wouldn't so much be allying with them, but rather getting the last laugh. Unless where he is going becomes a plot point, and we go there too, I expect it to be a final revelation. He'll attack Ishgard or something, we'll defeat him and finally end the Dragonsong War, then he lets us know that he told Garlemald everything, and Ishgard will never know peace, because now Garlemald is coming for them.

[AstralKaos]

Was it that history is cyclical? I thought it came off more as simply implying that events were preordained; Whatever is going to happen was scripted to happen.

As for Nidhogg... We have him flying off for "skies unknown"... If he wanted Midgardsormrs help to fight a Primal, and now feels betrayed by Middy, who has sided with us... Who would you go to for help? A certain Eikon hating Empire, that also historically "put down" Middy, perhaps? Would be a good way to instigate an Eorzean/Garlemald conflict and push us towards Ala Mhigo for 4.0.

I believe they'd open fire on him before he could even utter or let it be known that he is seeking an alliance, even if it was to be a flimsy one.

"Genocide has ever been the Empire's favored recourse"

Unless of course, our good Imperial friends have discovered a means to "control" such an ally, but what level of coincidence are we talking to one: allow Nidhogg near the Garlean Empire and two: let his guard down long enough to even be captured. But c'mon, this is Nidhogg, remember, he didn't trust humanity even in peaceful times, would he even so much as entertain seeking anything but destruction to any of the human sides.

[Cilia]

This may be speculation based on Elidibus's words, but The Gerun Oracles seem suggest that history is cyclical, and that the current events of Eorzea are following a pattern of events that happen throughout the ages. Nidhogg's ultimate fate and willingness to cheat death may play into it, if someone were to suggest lockin him away somewhere...or if it sparks the rise of imperial ambitions.

Was it that history is cyclical? I thought it came off more as simply implying that events were preordained; Whatever is going to happen was scripted to happen.

As for Nidhogg... We have him flying off for "skies unknown"... If he wanted Midgardsormrs help to fight a Primal, and now feels betrayed by Middy, who has sided with us... Who would you go to for help? A certain Eikon hating Empire, that also historically "put down" Middy, perhaps? Would be a good way to instigate an Eorzean/Garlemald conflict and push us towards Ala Mhigo for 4.0.

While I do still believe history is cyclical on Hydaelyn, it's probably not a 1 for 1 thing that happens over and over. There's the rise of an empire, a great war, and a cataclysm that results leading to an Umbral Era. We don't know all of the Calamities' buildup, but...

3rd Astral Era / 4th Calamity: Rise of Allag, war with Meracydia, Dalamud blasts Syrcus Tower causing the Calamity.
5th Astral Era / 6th Calamity: Rise of the magic city-states, War of the Magi, Elementals flood the world in response.
6th Astral Era / 7th Calamity: Rise of Garlemald, Battle of Cartenau, Dalamud's descent and Bahamut's breakout.

... that said, this is just a basic template. Details change, but there's not always going to be a killed / resurrected / imprisoned dragon. As for Nidhogg, I have a very hard time believing he'd ally with Garlemald; while his hatred is directed primarily at Ishgard, he seems to hold all mortals in contempt. It should also be noted that the "Nidhogg" we're fighting now isn't the genuine article, but a manifestation of his hatred that lingered in his eyes. The English version calls him simply a "shade," while I believe the Japanese version calls him a "demon dragon" (as opposed to his original designation as a celestial dragon).

[Kaiser-Ace]

... that said, this is just a basic template. Details change, but there's not always going to be a killed / resurrected / imprisoned dragon. As for Nidhogg, I have a very hard time believing he'd ally with Garlemald; while his hatred is directed primarily at Ishgard, he seems to hold all mortals in contempt. It should also be noted that the "Nidhogg" we're fighting now isn't the genuine article, but a manifestation of his hatred that lingered in his eyes. The English version calls him simply a "shade," while I believe the Japanese version calls him a "demon dragon" (as opposed to his original designation as a celestial dragon).

Hmm, that would effectively make Nidhogg a Yokai/Akuma by japanese standards. But I think "Shade" would be a mislabeled. Shades have little to no influence over the material world so Nidhogg retaining the ability to kill would make him a Wraith. A very powerful and dangerous Vengeful Spirit

[Zohar_Lahar]

Hmm, that would effectively make Nidhogg a Yokai/Akuma by japanese standards. But I think "Shade" would be a mislabeled. Shades have little to no influence over the material world so Nidhogg retaining the ability to kill would make him a Wraith. A very powerful and dangerous Vengeful Spirit

Just like the Bahamut that came out of Dalamud.

[Kotemon]

Just like the Bahamut that came out of Dalamud.

Didn't Tiamat say that particular Bahamut they summoned was not the one that died during the Allagans invasion, but something entirely different (even she hoped it would be until she saw what was)? Just like how that other Dragon said that the Shiva summoned was not the original Shiva but something else created from her mind.