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    It could explain many things.

    => Why Elidibus doesn't outright want us dead but rather would like to work with us, and convinced darklander since we were *really* reluctant to do so. He knows the truth, wants the cycle to end (former echo users wanting to break free from their curse, bringing forth new echo users as a defense from Hydaelyn, who then may turn into ascians again (after all, there are a LOT of ascians as we saw in SMN's questline) and try to break free from their curse. And so the loop goes, until Hydaelyn fades away from exhaustion, from protecting her children from her former and now forsaken children).

    (That, in fact, would also be a happy ending for ascians, wouldn't it ?)

    If Zodiark is the way for echo users to be granted their deserved death, then maybe his return might be a good thing. IF a balance can be achieved so that everything isn't swallowed into nothingness due to Zodiark's awakening.

    => It would also explain the similarities between the sahagin priest's and Lahabrea's disparitions. After all, the echo-using sahagin just disappeared along with Leviathan when we fended the snake. Well, that would mean Lahabrea is RIP at last (or perhaps not, as Nidhogg's eye is still intact).


    On a "let's make sense out of it" point of view, why would the ascians, as former echo users, want to destroy Hydaelyn and everything else ?

    What could be, is that at first they thought it was a blessing, and tried to continue using their gift to do good things. But as time passed, and with all the inhabitants killing, destroying each other, they grew tired of ever seeing their beloved ones dieing, all their efforts going to nothingness. They began to resent Hydaelyn for their everlasting misery and all their efforts amounting to naugh in the big picture. So they tried to destroy it all (1st Calamity), failed, and got casted out by their Mother. From that point onwards, it may have become a battle between the 2 sides, and the conflict raising more and more ascians as the time passed.

    What doesn't make sense with my theory for now :
    • where is Zodiark in all of this ? Why do the Ascians worship him ?
    • What does this have with the Warriors of Light (if we are to call that anyone having a crystal of Light granted by Hydaelyn) ? Fight the Ascians ? Shouldn't the Echo be enough ? What does the Blessing of Light bring that the echo doesn't ?
    • Why did people have access to the echo in the first place ? What is Hydaelyn's interest in such a thing ?


    Interestingly enough, all of those points could be answered if Zodiark is the one granting the echo, rather than Hydaelyn.
    The echo would originally grant access to untold hitory, revealing whatever really happened before the era of men to someone with the echo. Said history would bring "true" light to the world, bringing forth a revolt against Hydaelyn among the echo users.

    Hydaelyn would then retort by giving her Blessing to some chosen echo users, to bring the whole history to the world rather than only Zodiark's version. And the fight continued in a slatemate until now.

    Following that, Elidibus may be a former WoL who would have had access to a part of the whole truth. Why he would not share it with us though is stiull beyond me, unless he has some ulterior motive than the return to the true nature of the universe.

    Quote Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer View Post
    I actually would find it very interesting if we met a willing Ascian host at some point. We fight trying to save them, only to learn they don't want to be saved.
    It depends if the Ascians can possess someone and still let said someone still think by themselves. Iirc, Thancred didn't have clear memories of what happened while he was Lahabrea, and he is the only one we know ever coming back from that state alive
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