Gerun Oracles

[Kallera]

Nah, by the time that happens we'll have found a way to use the Echo to undo Tempering, instead opening us up to reflect on the countless innocents put down offscreen by the Scions out of grim necessity. Only other way they'd handle it is as a way to get rid of a(nother) newly-introduced character, and that trick is even more stale.

bonus points of grimness if a scion gets tempered and its only then does an argument occur over whether to kill them or not.

[Nalien]

Do we even need to protect or cure Tempering anymore? Last I checked, all the Primals joined a Linkshell and Garuda and Ifrit told everyone not to bother with that whole Tempering business... When was the last time any Primal even tried? I mean Sephirot woke up, saw a bunch of mortals and just went right for the kill, didn't even bother going "Oh, maybe I can temper these morons", yet the entire lead up to that made some huge deal about how only people with the Echo (plus whatever Kidibus has) could come help because he might - but wont - Temper others...

We should probably just learn to summon Primals ourselves and preemptively Temper everyone... Then no one else can Temper them and we can just order them to have free will... That was the logic Ifrit and Garuda worked off once, no? We were already claimed so they couldn't claim us... Oh damn, is that why Kidibus was safe from Sephirot?

[CyrilLucifer]

That Locus' lyrics really heavily imply that Alexander is capable of tempering and yet Mide just strolls in really sort of shows how much SE respects the ability to Temper. As in - not at all.

(Unukalhai probably has the same form of the Echo that Lahabrea does, that is, Ascian form. Notice he doesn't actually deny having the Echo, he just doesn't elaborate on it, either. Very much a subtle evasion.).

[Fenral]

Well, Mide was at the initial summoning of Alexander, so she should have been tempered by him then. Assuming there's any logic or consistency in how they operate, which there really isn't at this point, I guess.

[PArcher]

That Locus' lyrics really heavily imply that Alexander is capable of tempering and yet Mide just strolls in really sort of shows how much SE respects the ability to Temper. As in - not at all.

I don't feel like we've actually "met" Alexander, just his Goblin protectors and their creations. I think if Mide went to the central core of the giant, she'd face tempering, but the outer areas? Don't think the Primal is awake enough to really influence things much (I mean, he moves a bit then shuts down. Twice.)

Well, Mide was at the initial summoning of Alexander, so she should have been tempered by him then. Assuming there's any logic or consistency in how they operate, which there really isn't at this point, I guess.

Summoning =/= tempering. IIRC, none of the Sahagan are tempered, for example (just the Drowned) and I don't think any Kobolds are either, nor the Gnath (don't know about the Vundu, but based on the Vanu Vanu quests they aren't either).

Ifrit is the only Primal (we know of) who indiscriminately tempers, being only focused on gaining more power and followers; Garuda tempers her children (Ixal) and only was going to temper you as a punishment. The rest likely save tempering as something else; Ravana probably sees it as dishonorable so will not Temper, Shiva may not know how (but also knows you have the Echo), Ramuh does not want to (only Tempered the Sylphs because they demanded he do so), Bismark...I don't know, maybe he has to eat you to Temper?

Tempering is probably not the first reaction to an enemy for most either; if the enemy is weak, why waste the energy to Temper them into a weak servant? Look at Nael; after his defeat Bahamut releases him from his Tempering since he proved to be too weak a servant (same for Lou, actually...)

[Nalien]

Tempering is probably not the first reaction to an enemy for most either; if the enemy is weak, why waste the energy to Temper them into a weak servant? Look at Nael; after his defeat Bahamut releases him from his Tempering since he proved to be too weak a servant (same for Lou, actually...)

Wait a minute... What if we summoned Ifrit the same way Ysayle summoned Shiva? So we become Ifrit... Would we be able to just release Tempered victims?

[Morningstar1337]

Wait a minute... What if we summoned Ifrit the same way Ysayle summoned Shiva? So we become Ifrit... Would we be able to just release Tempered victims?

Somehow I don;t think that is as easy as it sounds.

[PArcher]

Wait a minute... What if we summoned Ifrit the same way Ysayle summoned Shiva? So we become Ifrit... Would we be able to just release Tempered victims?

Theoretically, its possible.

Reality...almost certainly impossible.

We have no proof that Shiva tempered anyone, and even though its highly likely that the Knights were tempered (well, one anyway), we can't say for certain that they were. So its hard to say if Ysayle or the Archbishop actually knew how to or could Temper anyone. I don't think we'd be able to remove Ifrit's Tempering in this manor without knowing how he Tempered them in the first place.

[Powe]

Wait aren't the purple sylphs tempered by Ramuh?

[Morningstar1337]

Wait aren't the purple sylphs tempered by Ramuh?

Yes they are. (IN fact I think the Green's Sylphs term for the purple comes from the phrased "touched in the head").