Page 14 of 18 FirstFirst ... 4 12 13 14 15 16 ... LastLast
Results 131 to 140 of 189

Thread: Gerun Oracles

Hybrid View

  1. #1
    Player
    Fenral's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Posts
    2,175
    Character
    W'fharl Tia
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    While we're on the subject of Goddesses who mean well, the actual true nature of the Sea of Chaos that consumed FFXIII-dom wasn't simply "the dead souls of humanity."
    It was the dead souls of all the Yuls who died throughout history. As in, there were that many, and Caius knew all of them. Etro reincarnated the same person so many times their souls combined into a world-devouring horror.
    Kind of a shame it got relegated to a sub-episode after all that buildup.

    So yeah. If Hydaelyn is pulling anything like that, we need to stop her, even if she means well. Ideally with a non-lethal option. At any rate, I'm guessing that restoring "equilibrium" means finding a way to bring back Zodiark without killing Hydaelyn in return (and not simply trading light for darkness). End goal being that they oppose each other for eternity and leave us out of it.
    (0)
    Last edited by Fenral; 01-07-2016 at 11:26 PM.
    あっきれた。

  2. #2
    Player
    dragoelete's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Posts
    299
    Character
    Drago Xhula
    World
    Balmung
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    While we're on the subject of Goddesses who mean well, the actual true nature of the Sea of Chaos that consumed FFXIII-dom wasn't simply "the dead souls of humanity."
    It was the dead souls of all the Yuls who died throughout history. As in, there were that many, and Caius knew all of them. Etro reincarnated the same person so many times their souls combined into a world-devouring horror.
    Kind of a shame it got relegated to a sub-episode after all that buildup.

    So yeah. If Hydaelyn is pulling anything like that, we need to stop her, even if she means well. Ideally with a non-lethal option. At any rate, I'm guessing that restoring "equilibrium" means finding a way to bring back Zodiark without killing Hydaelyn in return (and not simply trading light for darkness). End goal being that they oppose each other for eternity and leave us out of it.
    its not quiet that simple.
    the reason for yul being that way is not from being reborn over and over or at least not the only reason. the main reason is the fact she was constantly being reborn while keeping the memories of all her previous and future selves while also seeing her own future death repeatedly each time.
    (1)

  3. #3
    Player
    Anonymoose's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Limsa Lominsa
    Posts
    5,042
    Character
    Anony Moose
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    So Zodiark in this world being Chaos Incarnate could actually have some merit if we start to think of Hydaelyn as Gaia.
    Before the act of cosmogony got dragged into this, that was my very first impression of Zodiark; an in-cosmos representation of the out-of-cosmos Darkness, a shadow cast by the existence of Light (astral and umbral in all things), and something Hydaelyn had to find some way to keep in check. It still makes sense, but I had a hard time rooting it in the concept of pre-Hydaelyn existence and, in the brainstorm, just kept on jogging past the idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    Though I'd personally equate The Primals/Eikons the being To Titans rather than The Primordials (As That would only contain Gaia Earth Mother, Uranus Skyfather, And Chaos the One that is All)
    I went back and forth on this before posting, too. Calling the primals the Titans made so much sense when it was Twelve versus Primordials, so it's entirely possible that (when we considering that the Ascians themselves might have some connection to something we might consider divine) we jumped a tier too high since ... wow, we really haven't filled out much more of this Eorzean/Greek parallel theory since 2013.

    Far from two decades, my proficiency on the matter ends at "Googled key words and got swept up by a Wiki-nado", so I'll defer to you on likelihoods.
    (1)
    Last edited by Anonymoose; 01-08-2016 at 12:47 AM.
    "I shall refrain from making any further wild claims until such time as I have evidence."
    – Y'shtola

  4. #4
    Player
    Cilia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    The Hermit's Hovel
    Posts
    3,698
    Character
    Trpimir Ratyasch
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    I'm just throwing out what I can that encompasses as much of the Ascians' dialogue (which is supposed to hint at the truth) as possible.

    The only thing I can't account for is the Ascian's dialogue to the pre-Dark Side Warriors of Darkness, about how killing him won't save "their" world. Perhaps it's a parallel world, or perhaps even stopping the Ascians is pointless because of entropy. /shrug.
    (1)
    Trpimir Ratyasch's Way Status (7.3 - End)
    [ ]LOST [ ]NOT LOST [X]TRAUNT!
    "There is no hope in stubbornly clinging to the past. It is our duty to face the future and march onward, not retreat inward." -Sovetsky Soyuz, Azur Lane: Snowrealm Peregrination

  5. #5
    Player
    Kallera's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Gridania
    Posts
    4,160
    Character
    Etoile Kallera
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    I'm just throwing out what I can that encompasses as much of the Ascians' dialogue (which is supposed to hint at the truth) as possible.

    The only thing I can't account for is the Ascian's dialogue to the pre-Dark Side Warriors of Darkness, about how killing him won't save "their" world. Perhaps it's a parallel world, or perhaps even stopping the Ascians is pointless because of entropy. /shrug.
    I like to think that killing all of the Ascians either causes something cataclysmic to happen, or, with the mortal world lacking the turnover of conflict, the sentient races grow too massive or powerful for the world to sustain.

    So "the world" turns on them...

    Course, that's just a theory, but I think the point of that flashback was to introduce that killing the Ascians, while sought after by many, may introduce a host of other problems owing to a "permanent victory".
    (1)
    Last edited by Kallera; 01-08-2016 at 08:10 AM.

  6. #6
    Player
    CyrilLucifer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Posts
    1,393
    Character
    Holy Emmerololth
    World
    Mateus
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    The only thing I can't account for is the Ascian's dialogue to the pre-Dark Side Warriors of Darkness, about how killing him won't save "their" world. Perhaps it's a parallel world, or perhaps even stopping the Ascians is pointless because of entropy. /shrug.
    There's something off with that Ascian in general, being the only speaking unnamed one in the entire post-2.0 game. I think a lot of us share similar theories about it, though, if that crack theory/headcanon thread is to be believed.
    (1)
    Last edited by CyrilLucifer; 01-08-2016 at 06:34 AM.

  7. #7
    Player Kaiser-Ace's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Gridania
    Posts
    1,966
    Character
    Kai Magnus
    World
    Leviathan
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer View Post
    Basically, yeah. That's kind of what is fun about it though.
    That needs to be the "Official Lore Forum Motto".

    "Shooting in the dark is the fun part".
    (3)

  8. #8
    Player
    myahele's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    Gridania
    Posts
    4,644
    Character
    Tonrak Totorak
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    maybe the reason why the WoL is "encroaching the power of gods" is because we're (unconsciously) being infused with the left over aether of all the Primals and creatures we've defeated? Such is true for how relic weapons need the ambient aether of the defeated opponent in order to get stronger, so potentially that might happen to the WoL?

    Maybe that's the WoL own "special echo abilities" since it's been said in 1.0 and now again with Krile that each echo users have a unique ability. At the very least that might explain why the WoD are also killing Primals
    (1)

  9. #9
    Player
    Kotemon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2014
    Posts
    679
    Character
    Tobias Shadowmane
    World
    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 80
    I'm late to the party; again..

    Lets see if I got this right:

    The sea = Lifestream

    Sun= Hydaelyn

    Moon = Zodiark

    Fourteen = Astral and Umbral Eras? Makes sense if you think about it.

    Children = Some primals. I don't think Bishmark, Moggle and the bug are aware of Hydaelyn like the others. (That needs to be explained after remembering the description by the dragons of what Bahamut and Shiva were). Inversely it could be those who have the Echo and other such direct objects. That seems to be the likely association given Matoyas info about the eye and possible Lore around the Zodiac Braves.

    Shiva's summoning appears much like how Terra transforms into an Esper. Perhaps that's the difference between her and Odin to the other summonings.


    His Doom = Still possibly not primals but likely the Ascians or possibly whatever the dragon is guarding. Likely a metaphor (or something) like the "goblin train" in XI, not an actual Doom Train.
    XIV's version of Pandora's Box?

    Void = Empty space between realities. Thanks unknown origin for Gilgamesh.
    (1)
    Last edited by Kotemon; 01-08-2016 at 12:07 PM.

  10. #10
    Player
    Rhodkr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Location
    Gridania
    Posts
    101
    Character
    Rhoden Kenshi
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 79
    I've been reading this thread and there is a bunch of great insight and ideas on how the next year will go. I've noticed something though, everyone is assuming the 14 refers to 12 ascians, eldibus (I need to work on learning to spell these names) and Zodiark.

    I figured I'd throw in an idea of my own. What if the twelve referr to 13 Ascians and Eldibus? What I mean is what if the Ascian that represents Gemini isn't 'an' Ascians but a set of twins? Just my two cents.
    (2)

Page 14 of 18 FirstFirst ... 4 12 13 14 15 16 ... LastLast