Gerun Oracles

[whiskeybravo]

My current best guess is that she took Zodiark's power, formless aether, and sorted it out to shape the world we know today, and Zodiark created the Ascians as a sort of dying curse to kill Hydaelyn and return his power to him. Zodiark is "dead" because Hydaelyn sorts his essence, raw aether, into the elements we know make up everything in the world.

I really like your post here, this part reminds me of a prism breaking up the spectrum of light, and we see Hydaelyn in a crystal form so breaking up the spectrum of aether is not a far-fetched concept IMO.

Really great thoughts here over all, I always get a kick out of the Lore you guys are able to gather together. Keep up the good work!

[Kaiser-Ace]

Ultimately until we know what was in the passage Elidibus showed Urianger and what exactly Midgardsormr was guarding under Silvertear Lake then we're shooting in the dark with out even knowing the general direction to shoot in.

Maybe after 3.2 hits in a few months we'll have more to work with.

[CyrilLucifer]

Ultimately until we know what was in the passage Elidibus showed Urianger and what exactly Midgardsormr was guarding under Silvertear Lake then we're shooting in the dark with out even knowing the general direction to shoot in.

Maybe after 3.2 hits in a few months we'll have more to work with.

Basically, yeah. That's kind of what is fun about it though.

[Cilia]

I'm just throwing out what I can that encompasses as much of the Ascians' dialogue (which is supposed to hint at the truth) as possible.

The only thing I can't account for is the Ascian's dialogue to the pre-Dark Side Warriors of Darkness, about how killing him won't save "their" world. Perhaps it's a parallel world, or perhaps even stopping the Ascians is pointless because of entropy. /shrug.

[Kallera]

I'm just throwing out what I can that encompasses as much of the Ascians' dialogue (which is supposed to hint at the truth) as possible.

The only thing I can't account for is the Ascian's dialogue to the pre-Dark Side Warriors of Darkness, about how killing him won't save "their" world. Perhaps it's a parallel world, or perhaps even stopping the Ascians is pointless because of entropy. /shrug.

I like to think that killing all of the Ascians either causes something cataclysmic to happen, or, with the mortal world lacking the turnover of conflict, the sentient races grow too massive or powerful for the world to sustain.

So "the world" turns on them...

Course, that's just a theory, but I think the point of that flashback was to introduce that killing the Ascians, while sought after by many, may introduce a host of other problems owing to a "permanent victory".

[CyrilLucifer]

The only thing I can't account for is the Ascian's dialogue to the pre-Dark Side Warriors of Darkness, about how killing him won't save "their" world. Perhaps it's a parallel world, or perhaps even stopping the Ascians is pointless because of entropy. /shrug.

There's something off with that Ascian in general, being the only speaking unnamed one in the entire post-2.0 game. I think a lot of us share similar theories about it, though, if that crack theory/headcanon thread is to be believed.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Basically, yeah. That's kind of what is fun about it though.

That needs to be the "Official Lore Forum Motto".

"Shooting in the dark is the fun part".

[myahele]

maybe the reason why the WoL is "encroaching the power of gods" is because we're (unconsciously) being infused with the left over aether of all the Primals and creatures we've defeated? Such is true for how relic weapons need the ambient aether of the defeated opponent in order to get stronger, so potentially that might happen to the WoL?

Maybe that's the WoL own "special echo abilities" since it's been said in 1.0 and now again with Krile that each echo users have a unique ability. At the very least that might explain why the WoD are also killing Primals

[Kotemon]

I'm late to the party; again..

Lets see if I got this right:

The sea = Lifestream

Sun= Hydaelyn

Moon = Zodiark

Fourteen = Astral and Umbral Eras? Makes sense if you think about it.

Children = Some primals. I don't think Bishmark, Moggle and the bug are aware of Hydaelyn like the others. (That needs to be explained after remembering the description by the dragons of what Bahamut and Shiva were). Inversely it could be those who have the Echo and other such direct objects. That seems to be the likely association given Matoyas info about the eye and possible Lore around the Zodiac Braves.

Shiva's summoning appears much like how Terra transforms into an Esper. Perhaps that's the difference between her and Odin to the other summonings.

His Doom = Still possibly not primals but likely the Ascians or possibly whatever the dragon is guarding. Likely a metaphor (or something) like the "goblin train" in XI, not an actual Doom Train.
XIV's version of Pandora's Box?

Void = Empty space between realities. Thanks unknown origin for Gilgamesh.

[Rhodkr]

I've been reading this thread and there is a bunch of great insight and ideas on how the next year will go. I've noticed something though, everyone is assuming the 14 refers to 12 ascians, eldibus (I need to work on learning to spell these names) and Zodiark.

I figured I'd throw in an idea of my own. What if the twelve referr to 13 Ascians and Eldibus? What I mean is what if the Ascian that represents Gemini isn't 'an' Ascians but a set of twins? Just my two cents.