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    Gerun Oracles

    It's that time of year again;


    I'm guessing "the sea" would either by Hydaelyn (the planet) or the universe/aether/Lifestream/etc., since "the Star" also shows up... Not much to really work with in the first half, the second half though;

    "the sea sundered in fourteen", now that is interesting... We have the Twelve, who are actually thirteen (Nald'Thal), but fourteen? Well, I'd take that as confirmation for Zodiark being the "fourteenth"... Alternatively we keep the Twelve as twelve, and Hydaelyn and Zodiark make up the remaining two.

    "To the seas She cast Her children", "She" would be Hydaelyn, and "Her children" us. OK, I'm stupid, this is all "before man", so scrap that... You know, I suspect "Her children" might be the Primals... I've long suspected they're not actually bad, just the Ascians have set the board such that we're at odds with them... As Tiamat says, they exist at great cost to Hydaelyn, but to me that kind of drives home the idea that they're Her children... They're literally made of Her aether...

    "for fear of the Moon"? *ahem*

    "For hate of the Star, to the seas He casts His doom.", I'd guess "the Star" would be Hydaelyn (the planet), "He" would be Zodiark, "His doom"? This is where "seas" and "Star" cause a bit of confusion... Could refer to the Ascians, could be something grander, like the Void itself (seriously, we have nothing on this yet...), given the Ascians strong connection to it...

    Thoughts?
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    Damn beaten too it!

    Ill go delete my thread

    <stomps off sulkly>

    Edit: or I would if I could figure out how.

    Edit2:

    Ok what I posted in my thread.

    Speculation and interpretation time!

    Im guessing few things. By sea I think its refering to Aether. sundered in fourteen I think is referencing the umbral and astral aspects of the elements and unaspected umbral and astral. I've suspected for quite a while that the Twelve are avatars for these forms of aspected aether, wether real sentient things or simply idols created by man to give face to the force.

    The Star I feel pretty sure is our favorate glowy crystal benefactor. Also unaspected Astral.

    The Moon is probably Zodiak. Probably also Unaspected Umbral.

    On a side note, if its right then Ramuh's kryptic comments way back in 2.3 are probably accurate. I wonder if this means Ramuh's nature as a primal makes this known to him or if he is infact a very ancient primal or something ancient that became a primal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belhi View Post
    On a side note, if its right then Ramuh's kryptic comments way back in 2.3 are probably accurate. I wonder if this means Ramuh's nature as a primal makes this known to him or if he is infact a very ancient primal or something ancient that became a primal.
    I wonder about Ramuh... He pondered;

    "Were light and dark given form when man was born?"

    But here we have;

    "In the beginning, before man and hist'ry,
    Light and Darkness were divided, the seas sundered in fourteen"

    Implying that this duality existed before man.

    Wonder how that fits in with the Astrologian lore too... Light and Darkness were divided? Astrologian is seemingly drawing upon celestial power of Light and Darkness very much allied... Nald'Thal and Azeyma making up the Balance, for example (granted, the Spire specifically makes mention of its two deities being in conflict). I may need to go read back up on Astrologian given the potential relevance...
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    First things first, I like how it even says hist'ry. Nice touch. (Gerun talked like that.)

    I'm going to dig into the other languages (as I do every year), but some interesting first impressions:
    • There's a lot of Zodiark stuff up with the moon. Not only was Elidibus standing there, not only can you just barely see what looks to be a broken Zodiark statue, but as the camera zooms out in the final scene you can see what looks to be purposeful depressions in the lunar surface. Call me crazy, but that looks like the edge of the FFXII sigil of Zodiark. (Was he banished there?)
    • "The Star" has been used as a fancy way to talk about the planet. So Hydaelyn's children inheret the planet, and Zodiark sends "His Doom" to the star...
    • "The Sea" could be the primordial sea of chaos, the sea of time (Zodiark is often mentioned alongside time and splitting it 14 times could mean 14 eras), a metaphor for space... or the aetherial sea - if you go by ((6+1)+6+1)) model of the elements and polarities, though, it's pretty easy to see how the aetherial sea could be shattered info 14 identities - astral polarity and six elements, umbral polarity and six elements.
    • Then again, there are fourteen Ascian overlords in the last cutscene of 2.00. It's hard to tell what's related to the mythology and what's just because FFXIV.
    Anybody able to get a text version of the JP one while I translate the DE and FR?

    Also, my translations are rushed and amateur, so please correct me if you can do better.

    FRENCH
    • Lumière et Ténèbres, dans la mer des étoiles enlacées
      • Light and Darkness, in the sea of stars entwined
    • Formèrent quatorze reflets de leur être décompose
      • Formed fourteen reflections when they were undone (decomposed / broken)
    • La Lumière craintive fit germer la vie en tous lieux
      • The Light, fearful, seeded life in all places
    • Que les Ténèbres vindicatives voulurent sacrifier aux Dieux
      • That the Darkness, vindictive, desired sacrificed to the Gods

    GERMAN

    • Vor allen Mythen war Licht und Dunkel ungeschieden
      • Before all myth were Light and Darkness undivided
    • Vor allen Aren war eins, was vierzehnfach zersprengt
      • Before all Eras(?) were one, shattered fourteen times
    • In Furcht vor seinem Widerpart hat das Gestirn geschaffen
      • In fear of the adversary was the star created
    • Was dieser Mond im Zorne sucht, wieder zunicht' zu machen
      • What this moon in anger sought to see again undone

    JAPANESE

    • 神話 始まるより昔 光も闇もなく ただひとつの海あり
      • Myth / long before it began / without Light or Darkness / there was just one sea
    • 歴史 始まるより昔 光と闇分かたれ 十四の海とならん
      • History / long before it began / Light and Darkness separated / the sea becomes fourteen
    • 星は月を恐れ 数多の子らを海に放ち
      • The Star fears the Moon / To the sea, Her many children are sent
    • 月は星を憎み 数多の子らを海に還す
      • The Moon hates the Star / To the sea, His many children are returned
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    And, to play Devil's Advocate for a moment ... think of who Elidibus has been talking to every time he mentions equilibrium, balance, and the good of this star. I'm going to start digging into it right now, but does anyone remember if it was ever to a fellow Ascian - or only to children of Hydaelyn? Minfilia, Urianger, the Warrior of Light... Elidibus wasn't talking to himself on the moon; he was briefing the Warrior of Darkness on his mission. Do we know that we're watching anything but the grooming of a recent convert?
    I may be alone on this, but Elidibus gave me some Larsa vibes every time he spoke to us. "My peers fucked up the process but I think we could all reach an agreement if we worked together and got to know each other."

    The Ivalice's nostalgia may be too strong in me though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    FRENCH
    [LIST][*]Lumière et Ténèbres, dans la mer des étoiles enlacées
    • Light and Darkness, in the sea of stars entwined
    [*]Formèrent quatorze reflets de leur être décompose
    • Formed fourteen reflections when they were undone (decomposed / broken)
    [*]La Lumière craintive fit germer la vie en tous lieux
    • The Light, fearful, seeded life in all places
    [*]Que les Ténèbres vindicatives voulurent sacrifier aux Dieux
    • That the Darkness, vindictive, desired sacrificed to the Gods
    Just to point out that in my opinion, the
    Formèrent quatorze reflets de leur être décompose
    part would be better translated by

    Formed fourteen reflections from their formless being (existence ?)
    I could be wrong, but I think the idea conveyed by "décomposé" is more their lack of physical body (they'd be like streams in the sea, if we are to keep the image set by Gerun's words) rather than them being decomposed/undone/broken in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    The alternative, of course, is to simply have antagonists win from time to time (and by win, I mean 'win' - not earning a tiny victory and then being destroyed shortly afterwards).
    Well, Nael won, per say. Of course he got slain in the process, and his plan failed just before the finish line (Eorzea surviving Bahamuth's fury), but overall it was his victory.

    For the future though, I don't think that SE can pull the "baddies's utter victory" string in 3.X, but in 4.X they definitively can with a scenario involving Ala Migho, and its final annihilation by the empire at the end of the patch cycle. No survivors in the city, no stone left erected. Just an empty space, destroyed by the Omega Arma. And onto 5.0, trying to solve things with the Empire in their own land, in a suicidal operation to destroy Omega Arma before the Empire can send it again. More adventures !

    (I totally didn't get carried here)
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    It seems as though the Star is (in) Hydaelyn, while the Moon is (in) Zodiark? Someone mentioned seeing a statue of Zodiark in the Moon during the WoD intro.

    As for the Sea ... who knows? A metaphor for Aether stream, perhaps?

    "For hate of the Star, to the seas He casts His doom." reminds me of FF12 Zodiark's Final Eclipse. In it we see Zodiark emerging/falling from the moon into the Sea where he hatches into his adult form and destroy that world ...?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaZzaxfud1c

    Of course, I am not sure just how much they wanna borrow from a previous game.

    Although "the Star" can refer to the world that everyone is living in (then again it's called Hydaelyn) Star and planet are more or less synonymous
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    This sounds like it's almost confirming one of my hypotheses: that Zodiark IS THE MOON.

    Yes, you heard me. And I guessed this even before it was pointed out there's what's likely a ruined version of the Zodiark statue up there.

    "There was but the sea."
    Long long ago, in a galaxy far far away... just kidding. The Aetherial Sea, most likely.

    "Light and Dark were divided, the sea sundered in fourteen."
    This lends credence to the popular hypothesis that the Ascians may be the "original" gods the Twelve are based on. Either way, it's likely the origin of the Ascians in some way or another.

    "To the seas She cast Her children, for fear of the Moon.
    "For hate of the Star, to the seas He cast His doom."
    Hydaelyn created the planet we live on as a shelter from Zodiark's ire, while his hatred towards Hydaelyn leads him to continually try to destroy the planet (or he already has, it's just a matter of time).

    Those are my thoughts and best guesses on this one...
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    I didn't see that coming and i think you should put this image here but say you found it. This image is a lot more clear to see compared to the one you did xD Also it says from the final page of the journal does this mean no more of these D:



    All credit to Nalien of course

    Edit: Changed link to a more brighter one

    Edit 2: Editied the image a bit to make the statue stand out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remus View Post
    I didn't see that coming and i think you should put this image here but say you found it. This image is a lot more clear to see compared to the one you did xD

    http://i.imgur.com/dwIXz1J.png?1

    Edit: Changed link to a more brighter one
    Wow that statue reminds me of FF9 Necron:
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    Quote Originally Posted by myahele View Post
    Wow that statue reminds me of FF9 Necron:
    You cant imagine how many times I said that. Thanks that somebody notice it too xD
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