This is awesome... Why couldn't we have this?

[Felis]

Ascians are not the reason why they summoned the Primals, they merely taught the bestmen how to do it.

The Ascians don't just teach, but also create the situations where the beastmen use what was teached to them.

As an example:
They worked together with the Allagans. The Allagans went on a dragon hunt, killed Bahamut and captured Tiamat.
And the Ascians teached the Allagans how to capture primals and teached Tiamat how to bring back her dead lover as a primal. The rest is history.

[Atoli]

The Ascians don't just teach, but also create the situations where the beastmen use what was teached to them.

Yeah, they stir a bit of chaos. But honestly, at this point, with the aftermath of Dalamud and the like, their is enough chaos to have lots of conflicts even without them meddling all that much.
And it's not like we have someone on the opposing side who actively tries to calm said chaos...

Edit answer to your edit:
See how the Ascians never did anything bad even in your example though? They just showed people a path they could take and they readily went down there, even though they always had the option to choose otherwise.
That's partially why Thordan was so interesting to me for quite a while - because he planned on USING the Ascians, to take all they could offer and still not go down the way they wanted him to go. Sadly, he ended up doing it anyway. But yeah, you always have the option to ignore the Ascian's whispers. Except for the final fights of both 2.0 and 3.0, the Ascians never personally try to go against "the light" or her messenger. They just tell people "you can take the dark path too" and that's it.

So I still see the problem in the circumstances that force people to make a decision between Zodiark's and Hydaelyn's way in the first place.
Basically, if everyone was 100% happy, well-fed and so on, the Ascians could try to manipulate as much as they want - no one would bother following their teachings.

[Magis]

Gamer Escape has posted an article explaining what was suppose to happen before, during, and after that cutscene.... it's a nice read.

http://gamerescape.com/2015/12/30/th...-titan-of-old/

So yeah, it was the Company of Heroes and not the player in the cutscene.

[Kuwagami]

I'm really nterested in this :

Hoping to discern the origin of the Echo, you engage Titan in discussion. He confirms that the origin of your blessing is not a god that has been called to the land, but cautions against trying to summon whatever it is. The overuse of such methods, he reveals, surely invites only death and disaster.

I wonder when and why the Primals went from gods called to the land to mere aether without a real consciousness. All they are in 2.0 onwards is a reflect of their summoners's thoughts

[dinnertime]

I'm really nterested in this :



I wonder when and why the Primals went from gods called to the land to mere aether without a real consciousness. All they are in 2.0 onwards is a reflect of their summoners's thoughts

I'm sure that's what they meant by "gods called to the land". They're the very image of their followers' god, called upon.
They are gods called to the land that is also an aetheric-sustaining being from the very beginning.

[Kuwagami]

I'm sure that's what they meant by "gods called to the land". They're the very image of their followers' god, called upon.
They are gods called to the land that is also an aetheric-sustaining being from the very beginning.

I dunno. Whenever 1.0 primals are brought here and there, they seem to have a lot of depth and to think by themselves, rather than by the collective consciousness from their summoners as they are in 2.0. Maybe I'm just biased because I never played 1.0 though.

[dinnertime]

I dunno. Whenever 1.0 primals are brought here and there, they seem to have a lot of depth and to think by themselves, rather than by the collective consciousness from their summoners as they are in 2.0. Maybe I'm just biased because I never played 1.0 though.

Honestly, I think they still do have their own consciousness in 2.0, but they never got that much depth, really.
I mean, that 1.0 Titan cutscene is pretty neat but it's still the Titan we know and love in 2.0 which still cares about his children.
In 1.0, Garuda is a Primal hungry for power and destruction and Ifrit tempers innocents as his slaves, and they still the same in 2.0.

[Marxam]

This is awesome... Why couldn't we have this?

Are you talking about the beautiful cut scenes? the fact that the primal's had actual emotions outside of just rage? or how MRD has Jump as a cross class?

[Felis]

Are you talking about the beautiful cut scenes? the fact that the primal's had actual emotions outside of just rage? or how MRD has Jump as a cross class?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laTHafKXMdU

[dinnertime]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laTHafKXMdU

People seem to overlook Ramuh (and Shiva if she counts) when it comes to primals having a conscience or emotion. It's just that most of the Primals are very hostile.
Most Primals also never seem to care about their followers, so far the ones who do are Titan, Ramuh, Shiva and Ravana, maybe?