DRK vs WAR Self-Healing

[TheJarvisMan]

Hey gang. I mailed WAR in 2.0 because it was the closest thing FFXIV had to a blood tank. When DRK was announced for Heavensward as a tank, I was ecstatic, because I finally thought my dream of a blood tank in this game was coming true. Souleater and Abyss Drain are awesome. I like self-sustaining tanks in mmo's because I like challenging difficult content solo.

I have now leveled and geared up my DRK, and I am starting to see all these WAR solo videos popping up. I took a look at WAR's new skills, and it looks like they could outpace a DRK's heals. My question is, how big is the gap between the two. Is it close? Thanks for any advice.

[TheJarvisMan]

Opening line should say "mained". I cannot edit from my phone. :/

[Jamillion]

A warriors self heals are leagues stronger than A Dark knight's. There's honestly no contest.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

It kind of sucks to admit and say but Dark Knight self healing is nothing to Warrior. Sorry.

[Syzygian]

DRK is more of a heal-over-time self-healer. You get a 400 potency heal every 3-7 GCDs depending on where you are in the rotation. That being said, that type of effect, especially limited to Grit (which DRK hates having to turn on) is not as efficient and is usually overhealing. WAR's self-heals are all burst. DRK won't ever have those kinds of self-heals because DRK has more raw mitigation between its tank stance and cooldowns, whereas WAR is a bag of HP, which is why its self-heals are so strong. As for whether it actually needs everything that it has as often as it has it, that's a can of worms I won't open here.

WAR gets a 400 potency heal every 120s and a 1200 potency heal every 60s, in tank stance, and if IB is used every time you have 5 stacks another 300 potency heal every 19.2 seconds with a 2.4 GCD but less than that if Zerk/Vengeance/RI are used, so we'll say 17.5 on average, so we'll say 7 IBs per 120s.
DRK gets a 400 potency heal every 15s in a normal rotation, in tank stance.

DRK gets about 3200 potency of heals in 120s, WAR gets ~4900ish. The both have to be in tank stance for this however and the WAR is not using stacks for anything else other than IB.

Side note: DRK's AoE self-healing is actually equal.
Berserk Bloodbath Decimate = 280*1.5*0.25=105*# of targets, Berserk Bloodbath Overpower = 120*1.5*0.25=45*# of targets.
105+105+45+45+45+45+45+45=480 per target over 8 GCDs.
DA Abyssal Drain = 120*1=120*# of targets, but only every other GCD (because of DA's 5s recast).
120+0+120+0+120+0+120+0=480 per target over 8 GCDs.

That's napkin math, could be wrong. At any rate, they actually are not -THAT- far apart mathematically... WAR's is just better in practice. Both are still way better than PLD though.

[bounddreamer]

I just have one thing to say here: 12k crit Equilibrium in A1S last night.

[Syzygian]

Also, WARs will bite incessantly like a school of piranhas to discuss how they are better than DRK or PLD. Don't let that discourage you from maining DRK however. WARs are fotm right now, and a dime a dozen. Good DRKs that fully grasp the job and how to maximize it are hard to find however, and in high demand particularly as MTs.

[whiskeybravo]

I just have one thing to say here: 12k crit Equilibrium in A1S last night.

Yea I see ~13k crits all the time in thordan, mostly 200 left side so there's room for that to improve even.

DRK can't get anywhere close to WAR for self healing in tank stance. I'd say path vs eater is a wash since it's kinda like path you don't specifically use it for the heal anyways, you only use it when you DA it otherwise delirium (like Eye) is better dps. Out of tank stance DRK doesn't get the heal, and war doesn't get the heal from IB or Equilibrium, so either way there isn't a lot of self healing out of tank stance except for Thrill of Battle and the extended bloodbath.

Edit: forgot about that DA abyssal drain

[Ashkendor]

Out of tank stance DRK doesn't get the heal, and war doesn't get the heal from IB or Equilibrium, so either way there isn't a lot of self healing out of tank stance except for Thrill of Battle and the extended bloodbath.

WAR has a lot easier time stance dancing to heal though. You don't even lose GCD's or break combos.

[Izsha]

Also, WARs will bite incessantly like a school of piranhas to discuss how they are better than DRK or PLD. Don't let that discourage you from maining DRK however. WARs are fotm right now, and a dime a dozen. Good DRKs that fully grasp the job and how to maximize it are hard to find however, and in high demand particularly as MTs.

He asked which has more self heal. The answer is war. That's just a fact. No one is disuading anyone.

Also, don't forget that litterally all if wars heals are boosted by about 45% when zerk is up (bloodbath, inner best, Equalibrium, 2nd wind, etc). When zerk is added it's really no contest (that's where 13k Equalibrium come from)