"Changing Tank Damage Calculation"

[Jpec07]

My greatest fear with this change is stated above: That my Slaying jewelry will become useless and I'll lose a notable amount of ilvls by having to use my Fending accessories, that I've not really been keeping up on.

Well here's the thing: they're waiting for 3.2, which is the "next tier," so to speak. Item levels will probably go to 210-230 for new content, so it's gear that you're going to be replacing anyway. Nothing is going to affect the current "progression" raiding, and you'll likely be replacing/matching that gear with new dungeon greens anyway.

That said, I'm still not convinced they're going to be switching VIT for STR as the tanks' main source of attack power. People say it's simple, but that seems incredibly too drastic, especially when considering the entire rest of the game they'd need to retool to match (specifically looking at leveling gear and content).

[Kosmos992k]

That said, I'm still not convinced they're going to be switching VIT for STR as the tanks' main source of attack power. People say it's simple, but that seems incredibly too drastic, especially when considering the entire rest of the game they'd need to retool to match (specifically looking at leveling gear and content).

Would it not be easier for them to increased the impact of Determination for Tanks, reduce the impact of STR, and add a relationship between DET and VIT so higher VIT leads to higher DET. Determination could also be factored into block and parry strength, allowing VIT to influence these things (gosh! a tank's VIT helping mitigation...revolutionary at least to SE). Giving Tanks a reason to stack DET and VIT on their gear as well as STR. Nothing will fix Parry, unless it's completely reworked. In some ways I feel that they should take every piece of gear with Parry on it, and split the Parry score 50/50 with Determination. Not drop Parry entirely, but if it's not going to be a larger factor, then allow some of the stat budget on items to weigh against Determination.

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

Well here's the thing: they're waiting for 3.2, which is the "next tier," so to speak. Item levels will probably go to 210-230 for new content, so it's gear that you're going to be replacing anyway. Nothing is going to affect the current "progression" raiding, and you'll likely be replacing/matching that gear with new dungeon greens anyway.

That said, I'm still not convinced they're going to be switching VIT for STR as the tanks' main source of attack power. People say it's simple, but that seems incredibly too drastic, especially when considering the entire rest of the game they'd need to retool to match (specifically looking at leveling gear and content).

Except that the new dungeons won't be dropping the 220? gear, they will likely drop 195-200 gear in similar fashion to the EX dungeons presently. The new 220 gear will be from tomes and raid, and as you should upgrade your left side gear first, the right side gear will probably still be in play for a little while atleast.

It takes just over 3 weeks of capping ESO to get 4 fending accessories, now would be the time to save for them (unless you prefer to mad dash for ESO because it will no longer be the 450 capped tome). I grabbed mine up on greed rolls from A1S. Discussed with the group that as things may change at 3.2, I was going to roll greed only with those who main other classes but also have a 60 tank. [i felt gross and needed to wash up after]

Of course this throws a wrench in those of us gearing other classes, and it there is the STRONG possiblity this is much ado about nothing. I just suggest that as a tank, be prepared in the event that STR is completely removed from our damage equation.

[Brannigan]

Rather than switching tanks' attack stat to VIT, I think they'll just

-tag Slaying gear as DRG/MNK only going forward
-tag Fending gear as Tank only going forward
-add a small amount of STR to fending gear going forward
-add 2 materia slots to 3.2 fending gear and beyond

With 17 STR/ilvl appropriate VIT/2 slots, 3.2 fending accessories would be a 100% upgrade over current slaying. Depending on how much DPS they want tanks doing, they might lower potency across the board. Alternatively, they might just make the new STR amount their baseline when determining how much DPS a fight will need (though I think they were calculating for STR accessories already in Alexander).

[Einheri]

They could just change vit into str on fending. They used to roll lock striking and maiming for drg/mnk. Now everyone can be happy and its barely any work.

again I expect no changes to gear just a reevaluation of coefficients and potency.

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

They could just change vit into str on fending. They used to roll lock striking and maiming for drg/mnk. Now everyone can be happy and its barely any work.

again I expect no changes to gear just a reevaluation of coefficients and potency.

Why not just allow tanks to roll need on present slaying accessories? I don't see that happening, especially since SE said that they were changing tank damage calculations. (Don't recall SE mentioning anything about DRG/MNK, but hey, I've been wrong before)

[Einheri]

Like the old maiming vs striking roll locks, it was to spread loot. A drg and monk didn't necessarily have the BIS as the item they were allowed to roll need on.

What do you mean especially because they said damage calculations? All that means is they are going to change the damage formulas and threat modifiers to balance tank dps. What makes you think it would be anything more?

(1(str(.456)+det(.0013)))(potency/(skillspeed(.0956)(3)))

You change any of the coefficients you change the damage formula. this is what they will adjust to balance tank dps.

[AlexiIvaniskavich]

I'm not convinced that SE would have bothered saying anything at all if they didn't intend to adjust (in some form) what str means to tank damage. If they fiddle with the sub stats and reduce what the str multiplier is, without doing something else, tanks will still stack str, roll on dps accessories, meld str as much as possible. In essence, nothing will really change. Tanks will use vit to the point of survivability and then stack str. EXACTLY LIKE IT IS NOW.

Those numbers are also player theory crafted, not announced by SE. Dervy even stated that despite his best work for 2.0, there were things he still got wrong on stat weights. Why would SE bother saying anything, months in advance, if they decided to tweak something as small as what you propose? Something that minor would be relayed to us a week or two before patch.

[repoe]

At i209 full slaying, str spec , I have equal Hp if not more then most pug MT pld/drks in deliverance.
If they make vit a dmg ppl will still complain.