Form Shift and AoE

[RiisWolf]

I really like to AoE whenever it's the better thing to do especially as a monk. Now that I recently got Form Shift I'm stuck with a troubling matter.

It eats up a GCD, but I can skip a stance and get 60 TP back each time (because TP regens 60 every 2.5 seconds, so using a GCD that costs nothing is pretty much 60TP back). Almost sounds like the perfect excuse to skip opo-opo stance when spaming rockbreaker. But at the same time it means no damage.

What do you think? Good idea or bad?

[Morzy]

Ehh. With invigorate and purification you should generally be fine. I am doubting this would be a dps increase especially if that means dropping dragon kick or twin snakes.

We are currently very good at keeping our tp. If you weave in a chakra between rotations, you shouldnt have to worry.

[RiisWolf]

Oh definitely not skipping twin snakes. D:

And thanks

[Meow9000]

Form shift isn't meant to be used while you have enemies up. It's always better damage wise to do your rotation unless you have to be away from the enemy dodging an aoe or doing mechanics. This includes aoe situations. If the enemies are up long enough that you can't sustain through natural ticks and purification + invigorate, then there's a problem. Unless you have 4+ enemies there's not much need to use Arm of the destroyer anyway and that's your biggest tp consumer anyway

[Claymore022]

Aa a dps, you should consider any idea that involves not doing damage as a bad idea. You shouldn't be having tp issues but if it is an issue then just don't aoe. It'll be less damage but not less than form shifting through every opo opo stance. You're missing out on DK debuf and bootshine auto crit.

[Zojha]

Aa a dps, you should consider any idea that involves not doing damage as a bad idea.

Such as raising a Healer as Summoner.

Mathematically, I'm sure that the OP's idea is, at some point, better. The question is just how many enemies you have to stack to make the additional rock breakers enabled through Form Shift worth it and why they are taking so long to die that Invigorate and the Chakra replenish don't suffice.

Realistically, I don't think anyone will run into that situation. But still, it's a nice thought experiment. I'm just too lazy to do the math ._.'

[Claymore022]

Mathematically, I'm sure that the OP's idea is, at some point, better. The question is just how many enemies you have to stack to make the additional rock breakers enabled through Form Shift worth it and why they are taking so long to die that Invigorate and the Chakra replenish don't suffice.

Realistically, I don't think anyone will run into that situation. But still, it's a nice thought experiment. I'm just too lazy to do the math ._.'

I'm quite sure that situation doesn't exist. As for op, is there a specific dungeon or something that you're constantly running out of tp on? I think the overall dps is just so low that you're running out of tp from rockbreaker(RB). My best advise is to ask the tank for short to breaks in between pulls or just forget about using RB. I usually stop using it when I'm at like 200 to and I've no way to recover tp until the fight is over.

[Krylo]

Your uses for form shift are basically two fold.

"Oh no, the boss has become untargettable and I will lose GL! But wait! If I form shift into Couerl I can smack him with snap punch/demolish and keep GL up! Life is good and beautiful!"

And entering a fight already in a form. Generally Couerl allowing you to get off a couple more moves while in your peanut butter.

There's not much other use for it. That said, once you get used to using it for openers and boss invuln phases, it will be amongst your most missed abilities when you're doing 50/leveling/whatever roulettes and don't have access to it.

[RiisWolf]

Your uses for form shift are basically two fold.

"Oh no, the boss has become untargettable and I will lose GL! But wait! If I form shift into Couerl I can smack him with snap punch/demolish and keep GL up! Life is good and beautiful!"

And entering a fight already in a form. Generally Couerl allowing you to get off a couple more moves while in your peanut butter.

There's not much other use for it. That said, once you get used to using it for openers and boss invuln phases, it will be amongst your most missed abilities when you're doing 50/leveling/whatever roulettes and don't have access to it.

I have a bad enough time with Dragon Kick. All of monk and now at 50 DK comes in and throws a major wrench into my pattern. I won't have any problem missing it anytime soon. xD

[Melonhart]

Ideally you want to keep up Twin Snakes and actually spread DK to a second target to get more out of rockbreaker and non AoE GCDs. You are losing much more DPS than you think by using null GCDs. This would apply to more than just a 2 target AoE scenario.