Stop Hand-Holding me!

[Zenaku]

Coming from FFXI where you had to look up stuff on wiki and i did enjoy that and you had no info how to do anything within the game. You read the quest

"Find ???? At this city"

Your like how would i find this guy? it would take me at least 1+ to find him in any city and look everywhere. it's like how did this person find it? who post it on the wiki lol.

I think the problem is now many ppl don't want to look up info so it does have to be user-friendlyness if not then FFXIV would only have the old school FFXI fanbase and it would take more then 5years for SE to break even. They made all the money back from FFXI within 5years they say it going to take 5years of ppl paying to break even with ffxiv with 2-3mil subs.

If SE want ppl to play FFXIV they need to make the game really easy to understand unlike FFXI but that was back then everyone now is into the wow get everything handed to them. Playing wow ppl get piss when something is hard or not so easy to get most ppl quit Cata because of it i had a lot of real life quit because they just did not want to do all the hard work to get the gear.

To the OP: Coming from FFXI 6years i have to tell you get over it and get use to getting your hand hold like a girl because the overall % of ppl want something easy to understand and the players who does not our very small so sadly i got over it few months back while playing FFXIV forget about it ffxiv going to be easy to understand noting we can do about it.

[Lahru_Hukurou]

That's exactly why I think we should have the options to be able to turn things like that on or off. They could have it as a default with everything on. Have tutorials (if they add them in the game) and all that other good stuff that help players. Then for the players that don't want it, they just simply turn it off.

[Lahru_Hukurou]

The thing is, there are quite a few games that basically tell you how to do everything. It isn't just a WoW thing. It has been around before WoW. Though, I do understand why everyone talks about WoW. I personally like the fact that I don't have to research every single little thing, like I did in FFXI. I am not in high school anymore, I don't hours upon hours to spend on just researching. I do enough of that for crafting purposes. I don't want everything handed to me, but I don't want to spend all day researching like I had to in FFXI. I want a good balance between the casual and hardcore, since I'm not either one of them.

[Abriael]

As I said, the problem about options is that developers need to draw a line. Making an option toggleable on and off requires coding and testing (adding to the workload), and adds load (small, of course) and complexity to the code.

I just don't think this is relevant enough to warrant a toggle, especially when SE is working on streamlining the client.

[Lahru_Hukurou]

You make a good point about that, can't deny that. The client does need streamlining and all this can hinder all of that. I still want all those options lol. Though, if I don't get all the options that I want I'm not going to cry and quit the game. I understand that getting everything that I want isn't necessarily what this game needs. So, I don't want the dev team doing everything that I want them to do for this game. I know that pushing the boundaries of what I want, can be better than just going along with what I'm just comfortable with.

[Akumu]

I prefer the markers. In XI i found my playtime balancing wiki and XI. Also, Alt-tab kicks you off just like now so i was forced to be in window mode which I hate very much. I would love(once beastman tribes are in) to have to survive in one of there camps and find some ancient relic(not by killing but it actually having random spawn points). The less research on wiki I have to do the better. I just want some more challenging bad ass content. Also add some Mini bosses into the lore(I think about WoW where they had the evil elf arugal or something).

[Kilta_Firelotus]

the gamje can't have too many on/off switches the game data file size is big enough abd growing. Even ffxi had to limit the autro translate due to hdd size. Plus it gets annoying making and remaking character and having to turn everything off.

You got options, it called just ignore it. I ignore most of the map markers in Oblivion and Two worlds 2. I barely even use the teleports also.

Think you guys should really stop complaining over every lil thing. Its getting annoying and now ppl are screaming hand holdong in other topics. Hand holding is playing WoW with 50 addons blinking, chiming when certain moves come up so you move your character in time. Like the "don't stand in the fire" one. A game biemg more user friendly is not hand holding. Take one for the team knowing mmo newbies will be helped instead of bugging you. And you playing babysitter like I know how you guys "love" playing.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

@ zen not every WoW player like being hand held. And WoW wasn't "easy" for everyone.

I Don't feel WoW held my hand, I had a hard time understanding stuff at first. (not a pc gamer)

Oh and nice sexist remark. Suggestions : watch what you cry about. And do remove your head from your rear I got butter if you need it.

[Rowyne]

Exactly the quests in FFXI were very vague about what you had to do, if it wasn't for wiki I would never have been able to do half of them thats for sure. Sometime I would read the quest up on wiki and think, how the hell did someone figure this out from the info you are given in the game.

So true! You could talk to someone who would complain that they didn't like their hair, if only they could find their favorite hairbrush. So, you'd think your quest objective is to look around for a hairbrush... turns out you really need to go halfway across the world to find an old friend who used to cut their hair.

Silly example, but not that far off the mark.

I read all my quests, quite thoroughly, and that still wasn't enough to figure them out. You couldn't do most of them without looking them up online.

OP: Please, for the love of the Twelve, stop trying to ruin it for the rest of us who don't want to spend hours and going to third party sources to figure out how to play this game.

[Kenshi]

Abriael pull the cock out of your ass. Absolutely nobody who plays any game at all likes to have to go to wikipedia to figure out how to do a quest. Here is a perfect example, FFXI a game we all love dearly had the worst quest system ever. You could read the entire dialogue for a quest and still have absolutely no idea where you were supposed to go. That is why majority of people who played that game use ffxiclopedia. Hell they didn't even have any markes on your screen or map to mark the guy you needed to talk to, how stupid is that? I personally do not like having to spend a half hour or longer roaming a town to find some douchebag NPC I need to talk to. Thats why FFXIV is adding markes to the game, It's just plain old common sense.