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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    Yeah... I'm thinking you cooperate with the scions cause it seems like it's a good idea... but then when it seems wrong, you adapt.

    I'm not sure of any code of ethics the WoL adheres to...it all seems pretty situational and trying to do the right thing. Rather than decisions being based on rules or some arbitrary ethical constructs.. it's really just relationships and the situational facts.
    Innocents are never harmed for the greater good really. At least not as a direct method. Noone is ever betrayed or even lied too. Your character never lies at all. Seems like a code of ethics to me. It's heavily opinion though because your character never speaks. Its the method of thought that really seperates neutrality with lawful, and since we don't get to see that it's really up to the player to decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    Yeah... I'm thinking you cooperate with the scions cause it seems like it's a good idea... but then when it seems wrong, you adapt.

    I'm not sure of any code of ethics the WoL adheres to...it all seems pretty situational and trying to do the right thing. Rather than decisions being based on rules or some arbitrary ethical constructs.. it's really just relationships and the situational facts.
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  3. #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by karateorangutang View Post
    Innocents are never harmed for the greater good really. At least not as a direct method. Noone is ever betrayed or even lied too. Your character never lies at all. Seems like a code of ethics to me. It's heavily opinion though because your character never speaks. Its the method of thought that really separates neutrality with lawful, and since we don't get to see that it's really up to the player to decide.
    You can be honest without being lawful. ..and you don't kill innocents intentionally, because you are good... but a good example is that the dragon deaths are considered sad, imo. You have to kill them for the story, but unlike the dragoon, you don't consider it a cold "duty"... Just necessary to do the "right" thing in this case. I got the impression the WoL wasn't happy or even indifferent about it, but considered it a grim task.
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  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    You can be honest without being lawful. ..and you don't kill innocents intentionally, because you are good... but a good example, imo is that the dragon deaths are considered sad, imo. You have to kill them for the story, but unlike the dragoon, you don't consider it a cold "duty"... Just necessary to do the "right" thing in this case.
    /shrug

    Sure, but without some kind of barometer on what your character is actually thinking then it's really impossible to say. As I said it comes down to interpretation of the players, which was ultimately the goal of the design team.

    I view my character as lawful, she follows a code of ethics that is unique to her and has not made exceptions. You consider the exceptions to local law to be damning to that. It could be easily argued otherwise. We could dispute this all day... which is the beauty of silent protagonists.
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  5. #75
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    /nod

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    I don't care about the jobs alignment, simply because, I'm Chaos Neutral, and because I'm Chaos Neutral ALL MY JOBS are Chaos Neutral too.
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    But anyway, WoL aside. Most of the job classes, or guilds themselves, would adhere to a particular alignment. Even if your character in particular does not. I would be hard pressed to classify any of them as evil though. Theres not really intent in any of them to do harm for the sake of personal gain or for pleasure. There always seems to be a greater goal at work and it usually seems to be to the benefit of an innocent or a group.

    Whats really funny is actually that the alignment of the class vs the job doesn't always match up. Gladiator has vastly different qualities than Paladin. Same with Rogue and Ninja.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexz View Post
    Snip.
    They really don't explore that aspect of Dark Knight post level 50 as you pretty much "get over it." That being said, the nature of Dark Knight and what it is suppose to represent in the world of Eorzea follows the "Rebel with a cause" attitude of Chaotic Good to a tee. Going off my perspective completing the Dark Knight story and about 2 years~ worth of traditional table top gaming.

    Chaotic Neutral is more reserved for the "Devil may care" kind of person. Chaotic Neutral values himself but not necessarily the values of others. Chaotic Neutral seeks what benefits himself best, without care for those around him. I mean, the website you linked describes it best. Chaotic Neutral is an individualist, which a group of rogue knights who work behind the shadows to protect the downtrodden and weak citizens of Ishgard from Ishgard itself certainly doesn't fit that description.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HorseBoots View Post
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    I always found it funny in the storylines that Dark Knight was CG and Rogue was LN leaning LG. Seems funny to me.
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    Batman=Chaotic Good
    Jack Sparrow= Chaotic Nutral
    Kefka = Chaotic Evil

    There's the prime Archtype examples for those categories.
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