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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    After reading this, I now believe none of the jobs have alignments... only people have them... the jobs are just jobs. Our characters aren't lawful... since they really don't recognize a specific law or code... they just do what Hydalyn says... or what they feel is best...so they are kind of neutral. They always try to do the "right" things- so they are good.

    They are neutral good. Jobs don't have alignments. Our characters can also be any job... which again fits with neutral good. (Cause the game forces us to be good)
    Actually your character could be viewed as lawful. You follow a code of ethics and you adhere to allegiances. Lawful doesn't necessitate a geographical or cultural location. It's adhereance to a belief or a set of ethics that excludes others. The WoL does that quite fluently throughout the whole storyline. Defeat of primals for the betterment of the living races. You adhere to the Scions until... you can't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karateorangutang View Post
    Actually your character could be viewed as lawful. You follow a code of ethics and you adhere to allegiances. Lawful doesn't necessitate a geographical or cultural location. It's adhereance to a belief or a set of ethics that excludes others. The WoL does that quite fluently throughout the whole storyline. Defeat of primals for the betterment of the living races. You adhere to the Scions until... you can't.
    Yeah... I'm thinking you cooperate with the scions cause it seems like it's a good idea... but then when it seems wrong, you adapt.

    I'm not sure of any code of ethics the WoL adheres to...it all seems pretty situational and trying to do the right thing. Rather than decisions being based on rules or some arbitrary ethical constructs.. it's really just relationships and the situational facts. In fact, I would argue the Heavensward storyline highlights this as it puts the WoL against rigid lawfulness and the lessons of how that rigidity can lead good intentions to do bad things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    Yeah... I'm thinking you cooperate with the scions cause it seems like it's a good idea... but then when it seems wrong, you adapt.

    I'm not sure of any code of ethics the WoL adheres to...it all seems pretty situational and trying to do the right thing. Rather than decisions being based on rules or some arbitrary ethical constructs.. it's really just relationships and the situational facts.
    Innocents are never harmed for the greater good really. At least not as a direct method. Noone is ever betrayed or even lied too. Your character never lies at all. Seems like a code of ethics to me. It's heavily opinion though because your character never speaks. Its the method of thought that really seperates neutrality with lawful, and since we don't get to see that it's really up to the player to decide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by karateorangutang View Post
    Innocents are never harmed for the greater good really. At least not as a direct method. Noone is ever betrayed or even lied too. Your character never lies at all. Seems like a code of ethics to me. It's heavily opinion though because your character never speaks. Its the method of thought that really separates neutrality with lawful, and since we don't get to see that it's really up to the player to decide.
    You can be honest without being lawful. ..and you don't kill innocents intentionally, because you are good... but a good example is that the dragon deaths are considered sad, imo. You have to kill them for the story, but unlike the dragoon, you don't consider it a cold "duty"... Just necessary to do the "right" thing in this case. I got the impression the WoL wasn't happy or even indifferent about it, but considered it a grim task.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    You can be honest without being lawful. ..and you don't kill innocents intentionally, because you are good... but a good example, imo is that the dragon deaths are considered sad, imo. You have to kill them for the story, but unlike the dragoon, you don't consider it a cold "duty"... Just necessary to do the "right" thing in this case.
    /shrug

    Sure, but without some kind of barometer on what your character is actually thinking then it's really impossible to say. As I said it comes down to interpretation of the players, which was ultimately the goal of the design team.

    I view my character as lawful, she follows a code of ethics that is unique to her and has not made exceptions. You consider the exceptions to local law to be damning to that. It could be easily argued otherwise. We could dispute this all day... which is the beauty of silent protagonists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    Yeah... I'm thinking you cooperate with the scions cause it seems like it's a good idea... but then when it seems wrong, you adapt.

    I'm not sure of any code of ethics the WoL adheres to...it all seems pretty situational and trying to do the right thing. Rather than decisions being based on rules or some arbitrary ethical constructs.. it's really just relationships and the situational facts.
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