Job Alignment Chart

[Alberel]

That's a matter of debate which is entirely up to roleplaying. Just because you fight "evil" beings doesn't mean you're necessarily good. I consider my WoL to be a true neutral who does quests and fights powerful foes simply because they can, with no regard to whether it's good or evil to do so. Other's could argue that while their WoL is an evil character, they take on quests and help people simply because they are paid to do so, or because they want to prove that they're stronger than the other "evil" foes that exist. Just because you're a Warrior of "Light" doesn't make you instantly good. What matters in terms of good vs evil is the motivation behind doing an act.....

There's no room for debate on this within the scope of the game's story. You can roleplay outside the scope of the lore as much as you want but within the lore the WoL we play as is good and only good. If your character were neutral they would show occasional support for evil factions but there are no opportunities to do so via quests. If your character were evil they would do some more evil stuff within the story... which they have no option to.

You're welcome to roleplay as whatever you want but you can't pretend that it has any impact on the actual story of each of the jobs and their 'alignments'. As far as the story is concerned all player WoLs are good and even the jobs with shadier origins are being employed for a good cause.

Even thought Black Magic is only illegal because people can't be trusted with it, does not make it any less evil. If you have a knowing willingness to wield a power which is against the law, that you purposely use despite it being illegal, it is 'bad/evil' according to society. Most things that are illegal in the real word are illegal because people can't be trusted. Some kinds of murder are arguably justifiable, HOWEVER . ALL murder is illegal because people can't be trusted if 'some murder' was legal. Same goes for black magic in FFXIV. It's not inherently evil, but it's usually (though not always) used for destruction therefore it's banned.

In most of Europe guns are banned because people can't be trusted with them. Based on your logic then guns are evil and thus a whole lot of Americans are evil for using them. See where I'm going with this...? Black Magic is not evil. It is simply destructive magic that draws aether from the void. It is dangerous magic to wield but so is White Magic. The entire War of the Magi story within the game is very explicit that Black and White are just as bad when it comes to destruction... so why aren't you claiming White Magic to be evil as well?

[SendohJin]

There's no room for debate on this within the scope of the game's story. You can roleplay outside the scope of the lore as much as you want but within the lore the WoL we play as is good and only good. If your character were neutral they would show occasional support for evil factions but there are no opportunities to do so via quests.

that's not what Neutral means in the scale of Good and Evil. Neutral characters can do good/evil but usually are motivated because of self interest and relation to others. you're almost always fighting a threat to your friends/nation, it doesn't make you Good to want to defend those things. you can be perfectly neutral and still want to protect those things.

i agree none of the storylines allow your character to be Evil but most of the time you're Neutral/Good depending on perspective.

[myahele]

I could be wrong, but aren't (current) black mages actively siphoning aether from the land to fuel their spells?

White mages seems like they're borrowing aether from the Elementals.

Although both did actively drain the land's aether in a previous era

[jomoru]

I can see these are based on someone who hasn't played through any of the story quests, here would be my intepretation after playing through more

Paladin:Lawful, some are good, some are right bastards but all are bound to a code. But there are plenty of Right bastards who see only the most limited of things. You as the Outsider show the failings of Law over righteousness. You are by your nature in the story a force of chaos and Good.

White Mage: The White Mages of old broke the world with their arrogance. The Padjal are hidebound in their Traditions more Lawful than anything else but occasionally bordering on Good. You as the outsider of course are not beholden to either tradition and show the failings of such in the face of people unwilling to change. Similarly to the Paladin the WHite mage story is the story of a character who is a force of change and righteousness showing the failings of unbending law.

Summoner: The summoners of old were the Allagans who stole the powers of beast gods to do with that they pleased. They abused their powers and were killed. But you are not beholden to that story. You are a champion of the modern age using dark powers to save people from the wicked games of the Ascians. Once more you are a driving force breaking all the old rules to make a new story.. seeing a pattern?


Black Mage: The greatest aspect of destruction and the power of the void made manifest, and yet you use this to fix the sins of the past and present showing that morality is not born from power but from your actions.

Scholar: the Nym were betrayed and poisoned by their ancient enemies. Now you seek to rediscover their ancient Tradition and cure the lost Nymians and make the world a better place. This is the first one I would say is not in conflict with the past but seeks actual harmony with it, a lawful and good tendencies.


The Warrior's story is about teathering your Chaos to love. The Beast is strong in conflict but even stronger when it fights for its friends. This is not so much a statement on righteous vs unrighteous but balance between Chaos and order. The Balance is greater than the Sum of its parts.

Ninja, The ninja you learn from are honorable people who seek honorable masters who are excellent at stealth and trickery. You come to fight corrupt ninjas who are less because they sell their services rather than finding glory in service and having a master worthy to serve. You do not fight against the traditions of the Ninja but rather those who have perverted it.

Dragoon, you use stolen powers to perpetuate and endless and meaningless war, you are just another monster in a line of monsters, perhaps you will find redemption in a Post Heavensward story now that the Dragonsong war is over? Right now they come off as some mix of seflish and sociopathic. I'd say NE.

Machinist: Viva de Revolution! Like in the real world Technology overcame the power of the knight, the machinist is a story of chaos the rising of the peasants to become the equal of knights, in the end the Knights grudginly accept their aid, but will that be all? Will the peasants with guns now the equals of knights accept a place at the bottom?

Dark Knight: In the corrupt city of Got.. nation of Ishgard sometimes one must go outside the law to help the people. Dark Knights are pretty much a secret order of batmen. With a story that pushes the superior power coming from higher virtues vs raw revenge, along with completely mastering one's self in the face of constant suffering to forge yourself into a symbol of something greater.

Bard: you are the heir to an ancient tradition, bringing renewal to the world and your allies. Its less a point of morality and a much more personal play.

astrologian: Try to bring new ideas to the hidebound nation of isghard all the while dealing with those who are unwilling to see teh world change treating knowledge shared as knowledge stolen.

Monks are a shattered order betrayed from within who you learn from the last remaining teacher.. but he only cares about revenge and not about growth. You teach him the lessons of power through growth. Similarly you fight one who sees only power through destroying others and you show that standing alone is only weakness.

Who'd have thought it a game developed in another country might not match up the arbitrary ideals Gary Gygax made specifically for D&D and D&D alone...

Now for fun how Jobs match up to Paths of Morality in Vampire the Masquerade in a really half assed fashion based on their powers.

Paladin:Honorable Accord.

White Mage: Harmony

Scholar: Illumination

Summoner: Power of the Inner Voice, or maybe Caine

Black mage: power of the Inner Voice, or maybe Caine

Bard: Cathari.

Ninja:Path of blood.

Warrior:Path of orion

Dark Knight: Power of the Inner voice.

Machinist: Humanity

Dragoon: Beast, Blood or Caine a real soul eating heavy one.

Astrologian: Scorched Heart or Entelenchy

Monk:Set the Warrior.

[Belhi]

I don't really think the traditional alignment system works for any of the classes. The classes are mainly power that can be either used for virtuous purposes or abused. White magic and Black magic are a perfect example. White magic is the power of creation vs Black as the power of Destruction. However White magic is powered by drawing strength from the world around it and if abused can damage the natural world it draws power from. Likewise BLM magic can be abused but likewise can be used to destroy dangerous threats.

Its the use of the power rather than the power itself that is good or evil. The power just is.

[RyuRoots]

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Pretty much this. The traditional alignment system is already useless for anything other than the absolute broadest of strokes to start with, but to apply it to styles of combat is not really possible if you want any sort of cohesion. Oboro is willing to self-sacrifice to save others, is loyal to his people, and is filled with many mixed emotions when even a traitor he was sent to kill dies. He's pretty far from "neutral evil." Similarly, the miqo'te in the Heavensward Monk quests was so cacklingly, cartoonishly evil that I can't even remember his name. Dark Knight being "Lawful Evil" is the one that really gets me since Sidurgu goes around slaying the law whenever he gets the chance, but like Fray, does care about protecting the weak. Paladin is the only one I'd say fits, but that's because a paladin as a concept outside of FF is intrinsically tied to the concept of "lawful good" even when ignoring such charts. I'm sure others would counter me by listing other traits of these characters or by saying that there are other characters of those classes that embody the listed alignments but that's exactly the point; that putting PEOPLE into such a grid is one thing, but putting fighting styles into one is...well, utterly ridiculous if one intends to take it seriously.

[azlewood]

Its the use of the power rather than the power itself that is good or evil. The power just is.

this and i have nothing to add to it. I long live Belhi the Great and the Wise!!!!!!!!

[Kallera]

I think people are reading too much into this. This grid is a meme, and there's even one filled with nothing but iterations of Batman...

[Kaiser-Ace]

I think people are reading too much into this. This grid is a meme, and there's even one filled with nothing but iterations of Batman...

Can I have a link to that one? I can think of at least Half a Dozen flame Wars I use it in.

[Kallera]

Can I have a link to that one? I can think of at least Half a Dozen flame Wars I use it in.

Here's the image. https://alzrius.files.wordpress.com/...-alignment.jpg