Job Alignment Chart

[Alexz]

Lawful doesn't matter if the actual actions of the lawmaker can be considered chaotic, it simply matters about whether or not the person following the laws or orders without argument. If a raving madman were to order someone to do something for nonsensical reasons, the actual order could be chaotic. If the person follows the order though without questioning it or defying it, then that person is Lawful.....

^ This is true. Obeying orders would be lawful.

[Alexz]

Evil? Really?

That quote basically explains why they would be lawful-neutral rather than good. The Dark Knights are not enemies of populations, the meek, but they are of individuals. I believe somewhere in the Dark Knight class quests, you are given the option to help a person or ignore, and if you help the person, the Dark Knight resents you for it, saying it was the wrong thing to do. They don't really respect individuals lives. The evil aspect could be compared to a white mage. A white mage goes out of his or her way to heal people, such as passerbyers or party members (good), but the Dark Knight doesn't particularly make self-sacrifices that don't benefit them in the end. They, like black mages, harness that void power to defeat larger evils, but still remain a sense of evil themselves.

[ApolloGenX]

That quote basically explains why they would be lawful-neutral rather than good.

But they don't respect laws or traditions that don't mesh with their personal sense of justice- so can't be lawful. They are an army of one... do gooders, but not bound by laws. Neutral or Chaotic good, imo. I only say chaotic, because there definitely seems to be a sense of overturning the corrupt establishment in the flavor of them in FFXIV. In any case- my original statement was there aren't evil jobs... I'm not trying to nitpick classifications.

[PArcher]

I will disagree with some of these; based on what the jobs actually are in-game, rather than what you'd *think* they should be.

For one; none of the jobs we have are technically Evil. Even DRK. Sure, they all can be used for evil (even WHM and PLD), but as far as job-lore goes, they are not. Machi Void Mages would be a good Neutral Evl (from what we have of them) and if we get a Garlean-specific job, it would likely be Lawful Evil.


WHM - Lawful Good. Servants of the Elementals and protectors of the Twelveswood, leaders of Gridania. However, the WHM of old could have an Evil bend, with their overuse of White Magic leading to a Calamity.

SCH - Lawful Good. They were the Nymian military commanders, so being lawful is a must. Good for their healing magic and desire to protect their home (they fought defensively in the War of the Magi, after all)

AST - Tougher to say; likely Lawful Neutral or Lawful Good. They have prevalance in Sharlean society (see the AST 50-60 questline), but we don't overall know a ton about them. While they can bend it slightly, they accept the fates their cards bring (lawful) rather than try to force their will on it. More good than neutral as they are healers.

PLD - Lawful Good or Lawful Neutral. Being the guardians of the Sultanate and believe fully in their oaths, they are about as lawful as anyone can get. However, they keep to the law and their oaths more than Good (see PLD questlines)

DRK - Chaotic Good or Chatoic Neutral. They take the law into their own hands (Chaotic), but they do so because they feel evil is using the law to perpetuate itself (Good: talk to Sid about the first DRK and what DRK are *supposed* to be doing), but can fall into their own traps (Neutral: DRK 50-60 questline, AKA what Sid was doing). They really can't be evil, since even at their most twisted they still have the desire to protect those abused by the law.

WAR - Chaotic Good or Chaotic Neutral. Warriors use their primal selves (Inner Beast) to channel their rage and become stronger in battle (very Chaotic), to be mercenaries or defenders. While they can be selfish, and even lose themselves, they are not evil in-and-of itself.

DRG - Lawful Neutral or Lawful Good. They are Knights, Defenders of Ishgard. They are also Dragonslayers, and as the story has shown that is not the best thing. While defending your home is a good thing, doing so blindly is not.

MNK - Lawful *anything* - The Light sect would lean towards good, while the Shadow towards evil. See MNK 50-60 questline.

NIN - Lawful Neutral. Their oaths and orders are *everything* to Ninja. Good and Evil ultimately don't matter, just what they are told to do.

SMN - Neutral. Summoners are an anti-Primal weapon, even in Allagan times. At their core, that is all that matters. SMN who stick to that can lean more towards good, but as history tells us, slaying Primals brings power, and power corrupts. SMN who take that too far fall to evil (but, keep in mind that can happen to any job)

BRD - Neutral or Neutral Good. They sing to inspire and uplift their comrades, to support them in battle.



As for BLM and MCH...BLM is hard for me to say, as the BLM we know are more or less Neutral, just seeking to keep to themselves and grow in Black Magic. But they come from Machi Void Mages, who we are seeing as very Evil (Void Ark and SCH 50-60 questlines). I haven't leveled MCH, so can't say anything about them.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Ok, since this game doesn't actuly have "Evil" PCs, that makes the traditional scale useless. But here I go.

PLD= Lawful Good, Traditional "White Knight" who will do the right thing even at the cost of their lives.

DRK= Chaotic Good in every way. " Screw your laws, I AM THE LAW!" And promptly kills the criminal, the dirty cop, AND the Good Cop that tried to stop him.

DRG= Lawful Nutral, Soul Purpose is defending Ishguard fr Dragons, otherwise having no predefined purpose.

MNK, BRD, MCH= True Neutral, only things defining morality are personal creeds assuming they have any. (The fist of rhalger is defunct, and the temples of the seven lights/shadows are not as cut and dry as their names imply)

BLM,WHM,AST= Lawful Nuetral, subject only to mistic laws or forces that only they know/understand

WAR,SUM= Lawful Nuetral, Seek to control near uncontrolable forces of nature for the good of all but eternally at risk of self destruction.

SCH,NIN= Lawful Good, Guided by anchient laws and societal creeds that govern their traditions, training, and tasks with the focus of "Always protect you masters and people".

So yea, that's my take (and I have played all of them to 45+ with WAR, AST, and MNK being the only non 50+s)

And as for Vivi's question, All Gatherers are True Neutral, Crafters are Chaotic Good, their crafts are good for sociaty, but you're gonna need to cough up 1st. <Brass Blades shake down customer for Lolorito>

[Alberel]

None of the jobs employed by the WoL are neutral or evil. They are ALL good since the WoL can only be good.

The cases of dark magics or dangerous techniques used by the likes of Dark Knights, Black Mages or Warriors are not exceptions. The job quest lines for these jobs are very explicit that you are tapping into dark and dangerous abilities and learning to control them for a good cause.

Black Magic is illegal not because it is evil but because people cannot be trusted to learn to wield it safely. It also once caused an Umbral Calamity, though ironically this was alongside White Magic, so if that makes Black Magic evil it also makes White Magic evil (this is actually why the Padjali are incredibly reluctant to teach anyone their art).

[Gamer3427]

None of the jobs employed by the WoL are neutral or evil. They are ALL good since the WoL can only be good.

That's a matter of debate which is entirely up to roleplaying. Just because you fight "evil" beings doesn't mean you're necessarily good. I consider my WoL to be a true neutral who does quests and fights powerful foes simply because they can, with no regard to whether it's good or evil to do so. Other's could argue that while their WoL is an evil character, they take on quests and help people simply because they are paid to do so, or because they want to prove that they're stronger than the other "evil" foes that exist. Just because you're a Warrior of "Light" doesn't make you instantly good. What matters in terms of good vs evil is the motivation behind doing an act.....

[Shyle]

WoL is too "goody two-shoes" to be any form of neutral or evil unfortunately. I kinda wish we could make our characters less...."pure" regarding our actions in the story line.

[Jonnycbad]

These are mostly all wrong.

For NIN you say:

NIN: Neutral because they stole, but from the gov't enemies. They obey authority, but only if it helps them. Evil because of high DPS and independence.

The first half I agree with...but being independent and having high DPS doesn't make you evil. They do not kill/assassinate for fun/pleasure. NIN should be lawful evil. They follow a law/honor code of Shinobi, which the NIN from the AF quest disobeyed when he assisted the Empire destroy Doma.

[Jonnycbad]

Even thought Black Magic is only illegal because people can't be trusted with it, does not make it any less evil. If you have a knowing willingness to wield a power which is against the law, that you purposely use despite it being illegal, it is 'bad/evil' according to society. Most things that are illegal in the real word are illegal because people can't be trusted. Some kinds of murder are arguably justifiable, HOWEVER . ALL murder is illegal because people can't be trusted if 'some murder' was legal. Same goes for black magic in FFXIV. It's not inherently evil, but it's usually (though not always) used for destruction therefore it's banned.