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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    Frankly, I am not sure any of the jobs can be considered evil.... there's nothing in the game on the level of the WoW DK quests where you kill children, lol. The game kind of forces you to do good- so everything is kind of Neutral or Good.
    Evil isn't necessarily defined by acts of pure destruction towards the innocent. It's more of a "how valuable do they consider life in general" sort of thing. Those who actively seek to kill others, even evil beings, can fall into the category of evil depending on how you define it. Many "lawful good" characters would consider "chaotic good" characters to be "evil" because they were willing to employ violence or break the law to protect others. Really, as with all things in life, defining "good" or "evil" is a matter of perspective. In this list, I'd consider good or evil alignment based on how they compare to each other.....
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    Strangely enough, if you assume the OP is from a parallel universe, it all makes sense.
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    That or they are just spouting gibberish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamer3427 View Post
    Evil isn't necessarily defined by acts of pure destruction towards the innocent. It's more of a "how valuable do they consider life in general" sort of thing.
    I disagree. Lawful good will kill evil creatures out of "duty", not valuing their lives- but possibly righteously their souls.

    Evil beings kill, destroy and oppress for the satisfaction it brings - or out of service to an evil master. They might kill something they do value in that service. Everyone will kill for various reasons. It's about why they do it... and for that reason, no job in FFXIV demonstrates a delight in suffering/death or servitude to evil master.

    Good does NOT value all life. Good will not hesitate to kill evil. Lawful good might even consider it a duty. Alignments value like alignments. Alignments are not about nice/not nice or right/wrong.

    (For the comment below) - That is a description of past events- current characters have not demonstrated evil behaviors. There is certainly nothing inherent about the job that makes it evil- such as pledging to evil or performing evil rituals for power. Oh sure, having the power might end up with people becoming evil... or not... but anyone can be corrupted. Look at Mr Thordan...and I don't think I would consider him evil. even.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    Why would ninjas be evil? Seem like traditionalists for hire- LN.

    Warriors would be CN, imo. Not bad or good- just enjoy the fight.

    Frankly, I am not sure any of the jobs can be considered evil.... there's nothing in the game on the level of the WoW DK quests where you kill children, lol. The game kind of forces you to do good- so everything is kind of Neutral or Good.
    Good would be respecting and preserving all forms of life, so I see evil as the opposite. For WAR, enjoying the fight is what makes them on the evil/neutral scale. It's not exactly for the sake of protecting the party rather than for the sport of the fight.
    Additionally, a better way to describe Good vs. Evil in terms of Final Fantasy XIV would be Aether vs. Void or Defense Vs. Offence.
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    Wrong game.
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    The pious Ishgardian clergy guide the flock, and the devout knights protect the weak. Yet even the holiest of men succumb to the darkest of temptations.
    None dare to administer justice to these sacrosanct elite residing outside the reach of the law. Who, then, defends the feeble from the transgressions of those meant to guide and protect them?
    A valiant few take up arms to defend the downtrodden, and not even the holy priests and knights can escape their judgment. Pariahs in their own land, they are known by many as “dark knights.”
    These sentinels bear no shields declaring their allegiance. Instead, their greatswords act as beacons to guide the meek through darkness.”
    — Game Description

    Evil? Really?

    Neutral or even chaotic, since there is a sense of self determination of justice.... but not evil....they aren't necros that suck out people souls to use for power, animating undead to use as slaves, or shadowknights that act as Evil Paladins serving evil gods...
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    Last edited by ApolloGenX; 12-29-2015 at 07:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    — Game Description

    Evil? Really?
    Tbh, that description doesn't reflect the feeling I got from the DRK questline, and I see that as a more accurate source. That description though... replace Ishgard with Gotham...
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    Well - tbh the whm questline wasn't very lawful... in fact it was more about babysitting and druidic cleansing than anything... I felt that quest was more neutral or even chaotic good, since you essentially just do good things and follow what nature tells you to do... and nature can be chaotic. Most conjury quests actually seem to be focused on neutrality and good, imo. All that balance speak- more like druid quests....but then poor little girl went off the deep end breaking rules and almost killed herself...

    Wasn't white magic banned because people almost destroyed the world with it, too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    Well - tbh the whm questline wasn't very lawful... in fact it was more about babysitting and druidic cleansing than anything... I felt that quest was more neutral or even chaotic good, since you essentially just do good things and follow what nature tells you to do... and nature can be chaotic. Most conjury quests actually seem to be focused on neutrality and good, imo. All that balance speak- more like druid quests.
    In the case of WHM, we're an exception to the current rule. DRG PLD and NIN WoL also "suffer" from that
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    since you essentially just do good things and follow what nature tells you to do... and nature can be chaotic.
    Lawful doesn't matter if the actual actions of the lawmaker can be considered chaotic, it simply matters about whether or not the person following the laws or orders without argument. If a raving madman were to order someone to do something for nonsensical reasons, the actual order could be chaotic. If the person follows the order though without questioning it or defying it, then that person is Lawful.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    But they don't respect laws or traditions that don't mesh with their personal sense of justice- so can't be lawful. They are an army of one... do gooders, but not bound by laws.
    Lawful doesn't have to be following a set of laws defined by a higher power. Any character that follows a set of rules or code, be it legal or personal, is Lawful, because it is a set of rules, (or personal laws if you will), that they follow....
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    Last edited by Gamer3427; 12-29-2015 at 07:38 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by TouchandFeel View Post
    Strangely enough, if you assume the OP is from a parallel universe, it all makes sense.
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    That or they are just spouting gibberish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamer3427 View Post
    Lawful doesn't matter if the actual actions of the lawmaker can be considered chaotic, it simply matters about whether or not the person following the laws or orders without argument. If a raving madman were to order someone to do something for nonsensical reasons, the actual order could be chaotic. If the person follows the order though without questioning it or defying it, then that person is Lawful.....
    Fair enough. My point was the quests kind of have various flavors. I did like the alignment chart- like I said, wasn't trying to nitpick- just the evil jobs kinda irked me.
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