Shared house doesn't count for Auto-demolition.... FOR REAL SE?!

[Bahd_Monkey]

If you're in hospital/unwell for 45 days straight and not able to log onto an online game then I think your issues are far, far greater then a house being demolished.

So you are for punishing people who fall ill, by taking away their houses that they earned? Especially if their subs are paid up. Real compassionate of you.

Blah...Blah...Blah... reclamation is a good thing...It was a hotly requested feature on the forums.

Really?!?! Reclamation was asked for because there were several abandoned houses, and SE didn't build enough wards for the player base. There were no angry mobs demanding that players should lose their homes if they don't enter them every 45 days. It's just a racket by SE to force homeowners to never let their subscriptions lapse.

If this is so great why don't they apply the same rule to FC homes? If the FC leader doesn't enter the FC house in 45 days it should be demolished and the lot put up for sale. There are lots of FCs looking for houses and this would solve that problem.

[Apocrypher]

For those who are overly outraged that it has to be the "homeowner" that steps foot in the house to reset the demo-counter, it's another real-world representation that people just have to deal with.

In the dreaded "real world", if the governing body of some area decides that "hey, this guy has abandoned his house" or "he's so far overdue on his taxes and isn't responding to our notices, let's seize his property", they won't halt the process just because there are people labeled "tenants" occupying said property. Their biggest concern is maximum utilization of available resources and the all-mighty bottom line of being in the black instead of red. Real-world tenants have no legal "two cents" to throw into the argument, and that's how SE is handling this.

[BroodingFicus]

For those who are overly outraged that it has to be the "homeowner" that steps foot in the house to reset the demo-counter, it's another real-world representation that people just have to deal with.

In the dreaded "real world", if the governing body of some area decides that "hey, this guy has abandoned his house" or "he's so far overdue on his taxes and isn't responding to our notices, let's seize his property", they won't halt the process just because there are people labeled "tenants" occupying said property. Their biggest concern is maximum utilization of available resources and the all-mighty bottom line of being in the black instead of red. Real-world tenants have no legal "two cents" to throw into the argument, and that's how SE is handling this.

While I don't own a personal house there is a bit of an issue with that example. Yes if a person refuses to pay taxes, house payments, etc a home can be taken and having your buddy stop by is not going to halt the process. However a person paying their mortgage and taxes could spend two years abroad and would come back to a house that is still their own so long as they were maintaining their financial obligations. In the current situation with FFXIV, I could get deployed or need to travel for three months and even though I am willingly paying my 'mortgage' (my subscription) that entire time, my home will still be destroyed. I agree there were homes that needed to be reclaimed but I also agree it doesn't seem right that its based solely on you stepping foot in the home rather than on subscription status. I really feel it should have been something like, if you are unsubscribed from the game for more than 30 days, the timer of 45 days kicks in for you to resubscribe and go visit your house.

Likely I may have been in the same boat as other personal house owners if an emergency arose but a friend and I bought ours together as an FC house pre-release of personal housing. Though only two of us are active, if we had to take a break we could get a few people to check on it for us to keep it from being demolished. I don't see why those who share personal housing should not be allowed the same convenience. Especially if (I don't know wholly how house sharing works) those who share the house can build personal rooms within it and therefore share in the investment and the loss of that investment that will come when it is destroyed.

[Mooga]

For those who are overly outraged that it has to be the "homeowner" that steps foot in the house to reset the demo-counter, it's another real-world representation that people just have to deal with.

In the dreaded "real world", if the governing body of some area decides that "hey, this guy has abandoned his house" or "he's so far overdue on his taxes and isn't responding to our notices, let's seize his property", they won't halt the process just because there are people labeled "tenants" occupying said property. Their biggest concern is maximum utilization of available resources and the all-mighty bottom line of being in the black instead of red. Real-world tenants have no legal "two cents" to throw into the argument, and that's how SE is handling this.

You probably scanned trough my post.

In real world i have 2 vacations properties. I pay the maintenance, the house tax, the community tax and whatever needs to be payed. And I visit it for about 1 month and a half each year because is when i'm on vacation. Nobody went to get my house. Its not abandoned its just not being used for its purpose. But Listen! I'm paying it its is as I would be there living cause you and other people don't need to know if I'm actually sleeping.

Now on FFXIV is not a real life scenario or close to it. I pay for the sub. I go on vacations and i still have to deal with this crap system. My sub should be paying that tax. So your point here is invalid.

[Lexia]

Now on FFXIV is not a real life scenario or close to it. I pay for the sub. I go on vacations and i still have to deal with this crap system. My sub should be paying that tax. So your point here is invalid.

There no house tax but maybe there should be, cause everyone pays the same sub but not everyone gets to have a house.

[Bahd_Monkey]

There no house tax but maybe there should be, cause everyone pays the same sub but not everyone gets to have a house.

Actually there are several "taxes" we all pay in real cash: our monthly sub fee, additional retainers because SE purposefully set our inventory space so low, and items they sell on the mog station.

SE makes enough money off of this game to afford to buy the infrastructure needed to have more wards, they simply choose not to. You should direct your anger at them, because they are not providing the in game resources that you are paying for.

[Lexia]

Actually there are several "taxes" we all pay in real cash: our monthly sub fee, additional retainers because SE purposefully set our inventory space so low, and items they sell on the mog station.

SE makes enough money off of this game to afford to buy the infrastructure needed to have more wards, they simply choose not to. You should direct your anger at them, because they are not providing the in game resources that you are paying for.

Yes I think the housing system is screwed up and SE needs to fix it, but people need to stop using that that they pay a sub well so does everyone else so people need to come up with better reason why the 45 days shouldn't exist and the retainer thing that a whole different issue that could take up a thread on it own.

[Jinxie]

I'll chime in on this topic since I've been and am on both sides of the fence.

In an ideal scenario, there would be enough housing for everyone, and once you bought your property you'd never lose it. That is how it should be, 'ideal'.

But the reality of the matter is houses are a finite resource and having Joe Schmoe who hasn't subbed for 5 + months occupy land (Land that many MANY others would not only utilize better, but appreciate more.) based solely on the fact he purchased it once upon a time ago just wont cut it.

This is not to say I am in favor of the 45 day timer but I can see why they did it and why it is a necessity in the present situation of housing wards.

The fact is there's too few housing plots available for even one to be wasted on a no-longer subscriber and losing active subscribers due to this lack of housing is a REAL thing. If they can't lure you back over your house, you're not coming back. If they cant keep you here with your house, then you're probably already on your way out the door.

As a once house-less person, I can only thank the STARS I vultured someone else's LONG VACANT lot. I did my research on this guy. It was his private FC for his characters. 8 members, and all named after Beyoncé. (....I have no words.)

This particular chap hadn't logged in since pre Ramuh. He wasn't here, he wasn't using his Free Company house, he was absent and that resource he was using was being wasted.

In this game where the developers have CLEARLY stated the servers are in no way capable of handling excess inventory, houses, fun...we cannot be wasting what little we have on those who have moved on.

A quote from All Dogs go to heaven 2: Sorry sir, you can't take it with you.

Maybe one day they'll fix this mess, but I do not think so. The reality we have now is this. If your house means a lot to you, you'll be here. If not, then you wont.

Truthfully if you're done with this game, any game...you're done. No amount of pixels will keep you there. If you doubt that, just look at World of Warcraft. They still have players, but even the MOST long term players of WOW eventually leave.

Maybe you got ill, or married, or deployed, went to college, or had a child. Perhaps you moved to another country, got a newer better job, moved up in your present job and the hours are more demanding of your time. Some things in life call for playtime to end, even for us Gamers.

Those guys in WoW spend 8+ YEARS building their characters, grinding their reputations, gear, getting mounts and pets a-plenty. But you know what? When your time as a gamer in a game ends? None of that matters anymore. (excepting perhaps on those who Ebay their accounts. Then that stuff can matter towards an acount's $ 'value'. Shame on you!)

When the game is no longer fun or when life calls...pixels no longer matter.

I bought my house as an FC house, to help keep ownership on it because I do tend to be ill frequently, I recognized my illness may actually cost my house and because of that I made reasonable accommodation for myself to avoid that situation. ANYONE can level an FC. I made it to rank 6 in about 2 days.

No, I'm not happy about the 45 day thing, but yes it is a necessity and yes I utilized it for my own house/happiness.

Short of another bout of terrible illness though, I wont be 'taking a break'. I'll be using my house every day, rain or shine, content or lull, until which time I'm done with the game.

[MomomiMomi]

No, I'm not happy about the 45 day thing, but yes it is a necessity and yes I utilized it for my own house/happiness.

Have to disagree. Reclamation is a necessity, yes, but 45 days isn't. 90 days would have gotten the job done as well in opening up houses from people who have moved on, and would have had less effect on those who are still planning to return.

[Mooga]

No, I'm not happy about the 45 day thing, but yes it is a necessity and yes I utilized it for my own house/happiness.

I have my Mog House in FFXI and its going to stay there nothing happening to it.

Like I said before. First should have been the 1 per account rather than 45 days thing. With the 45 days things there is a lot of people in game with no life and full cap money on all retainers and shit. That just go and buy houses and then they just need to go there every so often because no lifers have no life except game.