Please stop using social arguments in favour of specialist system.

[Arthur_Rivendell]

Never ending wonderful story.

[Cerseil]

Hello Arthur
It seems you have not read our replies on other post where plenty of Zodiark end game crafters replied. We are not a myth we exist, we dont compete with each other very harshly, we have a working relationship, I have met very few end game crafters quite recently and we are all helping each other, it's actually great. We have a LS where we can talk about crafting, trade items with each other, ask each other to make specialist stuff, you on the other hand are claiming on forums it's impossible to befriend other crafter, I do wonder if you have tried it's not very hard to find us on Zodiark since it's a small server and there is not many of us. , but I know what you have tried very hard to do, you tried to go against us all and push us all out, engaging in petty wars, undercutting all of us every 5 minutes on multiple items (every 5 minutes all of us that's really just unimaginable but true). Even though you are not doing anything against the rules technically, I am sure you must be aware that there is come kind of respectful relationship between crafters that really is based on not destroying each other entirely. I am posting this so you will see it's possible to have friends on Zodiark if you try, we are offering you friendship but I seriously doubt you will take it. I question myself why a person who claims to have 700 milion would go through pains on constantly undercutting everyone every 5 minutes (yes everyone I know every 5 minutes) who tries to make some 2star HQ items not only that, buying all the favor mats from MB so we have nothing to craft with, but even then we have found and each other and helped each other. I personally helped at least 3 people in past week to create items they wanted by trading favor items with them.
I think specialist system is amazing it made us end game crafters more important and also gave us possibilities to form alliances (if we are WILLLING to do so)

[Snugglebutt]

The system has the potential to be extremely good provided they keep improving it and adding to it, I know a lot of crafters that like where the system is heading and it does push people to work together. SE should keep adding more and more unique recipes to the specialists while at same time not forgetting to compliment the systems with plenty of general recipes for non-specialists. In the long term SE is heading in the right direction but it is still early days so it still lacks potential through more recipes. SE are doing the right thing even if some people are throwing their toys out the pram, like children who don't want to share their candy or more appropriately trade their candy for other candy with other people.

This is an MMO not a single player game so the 'social' aspect is very important, it might be more justifiable to whine about working with others in a single player game but not this one since the whole idea of an MMO is to work with others to achieve goals. The biggest mistake SE made was putting so much focus on omni-crafting to begin with but now they are fixing that mistake and bringing more inline with MMO ideologies/principles. I have made most of my crafting friends from having to rely on others to do what I could not do myself and vice versa, it does not detract from either being able to make a lot of money as an omni-crafter/specialist since both are still very profitable plus the specialist system hasn't really detracted from the ego boosting qualities that omni-crafters also have had open to them in the feeling of being wanted or needed by others for something you can do for others.

[Tango185]

I agree that you may not be looking for hard for social crafters on your server. Cerseil already pointed out that there is a vast, friendly, crafting community on your specific server. Additionally, even on Famfrit it isn't hard to find helpful crafters to help out with things. I just recently started having i170 crafting gear made because I just don't feel like spending 10 million gil on the MB. I looked for a whopping five minutes before I found somebody who could craft anything outside of the specialist system for free as long as I provide the materials (not all of which needing to be HQ) and some Seafood Stew HQ. Yes, the specialist system will make it significantly harder for me to take care of the Anima crafts on my own, but I don't exactly see that as being a requirement.

[Thalen]

Read this: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...t-omnicrafting

I play a lot with my PVE friends. But there is no friendship between hardcore crafters. Moreover, specialist will never make crafters become more social.

This is just YOUR opinion.

Dont judge everybody by yourself. It worked for me and plenty of guys I know.

And please, would you stop making the topics about the very same problem? So far you made like 3 about the very same thing, and every time when the topic acumulates more people that diagree with you than those who agree with you, you start a new one. Throwing the very same arguments again and again. LOL.

[Nylisa]

In short, specialist is just a shelter for those lazy and unconfident crafters. It will never, ever make crafters more social. No one design it for that and no one expect it for that. Those social arguments just didn't get the point and made no sense.

no one = you , we have many people here to disagree with you.
this has nothing to do with being lazy or unconfident it has something to do with...well let me make it more personal i want to be able to play my game the normal way and still be able to make some money , like to do dungeons farm tomes and red scrips help my friends and FC people which you have none of them as you stated yourself , that means i cant camp on my retainers all day long to sell my items so dont make this about people being lazy!

I was the only guy who selling ALC HQ and I sold them by 3m each ( the cost was only 50K /smile )

that is exactly why some of us must not have access to everything
some random guy walking by send me a tell "you a crafter too? you guys are such a rip off look at these f... prices on market" i wonder why he says that ^

which made they earn lots of gil and they didn't need to compete with others. However, I don't believe that they were selling ALC HQ with another ARM specialist crafter. I don't believe that they can find another hardcore crafter who is willing to be just ARM specialist and craft for they. We both know they, as a ALC specialist, can earn 5 times than ARM specialist.

i did , im an armorer and didnt ask for a single gill knowing he is making money out of it and i dont even care that he did, a guy named grey rings any bell? xD

[Ashkendor]

Read this: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...t-omnicrafting

You can't find hardcore crafter friends, this was designed when the market-board first released. Cutdown, then you will get buyers and gil, all other sellers are enemies. Just that simple. However, now you guys think that SE want to change this fact simply by implementing a shit and lazy designed specialist system? This is a joke.

I guess my hardcore crafting friends are... imaginary then? I'm ARM/BSM/WVR (I chose them so I could craft Sky Pirate gear), a friend is CUL/GSM/LTW, another friend is ALC/GSM and has yet to choose a third, and yet another is making CRP/CUL/LTW. It's not difficult to make friends like this but it involves give as well as take. Maybe you just aren't looking hard enough. Maybe you're the problem here. If you aren't willing to concede some things in order to work with people, then why would they want to work with you?

I play a lot with my PVE friends. But there is no friendship between hardcore crafters. Moreover, specialist will never make crafters become more social. For instance, some supporters claimed that they liked the specialist system, which made they earn lots of gil and they didn't need to compete with others. However, I don't believe that they were selling ALC HQ with another ARM specialist crafter. I don't believe that they can find another hardcore crafter who is willing to be just ARM specialist and craft for they. We both know they, as a ALC specialist, can earn 5 times than ARM specialist.

I have a working relationship between all the crafters I associate with. If we happen to be selling the same item, I won't directly undercut them, and vice versa. If someone else undercuts one of us, it's fair game then. It's actually really nice to know that when it comes time to do my relic items, I won't have to wander far or pay someone an exorbitant amount to get the items I need.

[Kabooa]

This is my opinion, and if you disagree with it, you're clearly bad.

Way to go, buddy.

[Ranzan]

Wish mt server was like that. Stuff here is so cutthroat and expensive it's hell to craft. Hell it's cheaper yo start an alt. So from my perspective it's horrible. The social aspect is not that good of a plus for people having monopolies and price hikes.

[FoxyAreku]

What about the money argument?

Cos I've made way too much gil selling these wonderful specialist recipes due to the limited competition.