What is the be Healer?

[TatoRazzino]

They're not hypothetical at all. A1S and Thordan are there to prove it's possible to balance everything without catering to any single healer. There are mechanics in there that make WHM shine, AST shine and few that make SCH shine. Your three lustrates every minute merely match burst you can get by using what's built into WHM's and AST's GCD. Add Tetra and Essential Dignity + Enhanced Benefic's proc + Lightspeed + Synastry and you see that a lot of tools pass Lustrate in healing. That's just overestimating SCH. And I mained it in 2.X, it's the only Zeta I finished and I started Savage with it.

[CBellz]

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That's not the hypothetical situation I'm talking about. I'm talking about you claiming SCH would be useless without any DPS checks in fights, which is verging on changing core gameplay. As for your point about A1S, seems like you're arguing that all three healers are viable here, which strays from the point. Everyone here is arguing that any optimal (key word) healing composition in these fights includes a SCH.

A SCH can reach 900 potency in a single GCD with physick and lustrate and WITHOUT the fairy every 20s if needed. WHM/ASTs cannot put out more healing throughput without spending mana inefficiently, and this is why SCH is broken. No other healer can get away with 5+ raises in a single fight without ballad and still be perfectly fine on resource management. When you factor in resource management as a factor of healer efficiency, there's just no comparison.

[Jim_Berry]

YOU are... so don't worry. And I'm speaking truth.

[TatoRazzino]

I didn't mean no DPS checks, I meant no stress on healing DPS numbers and more stress on healing mechanics. And I love how you completely ignore the fact that burning stacks to reach 900 potency reduces DPS output and can mess up shielding or AoE healing. SCHs need a very strict cooldown and stack rotation to heal efficiently, and that's what makes them weaker in healing (read weaker as "less strong") than the other two. When I say that you overestimate SCH is not a way to say SCH's suck or that they don't have their advantages. The multiple raising is one of them, the fairy is another and all of them are tied to what I pointed out before: they branch from a DPS class and were built to be an off-healer. They're the best off-healer in the game and they're going to occupy that spot until SE introduces another job built with that spot in mind OR when they change the meta. Ask a SCH to main heal A3S or even solo heal it as WHM and AST can do (there's a whole thread about it) and you'll see the weaknesses of the job. People will argue that A3S is not suited for SCH, but I'm arguing that the off-healer spot in the meta is not suited to the other two jobs, and you guys are claiming that's all because of how strong the job is and not because the fights and the metas are catered to it. So, prove me wrong and main/solo heal A3S with SCH with the same degree of work you can do it with the other two healers. An overpowered broken job that is the best healer in the game wouldn't have any problems doing that, would it?

[Dyvid]

I\\\\'m training healer classes, so I wanna know what you think. What is the best healer in the game right now.

Well I'm trying to get into healing after my main has been SMN since 2.0. I really really really want to love AST since I played Corsair in XI but I find it so much easier as a SCH. Maybe it's because I'm used to it because of SMN but it feels more forgiving if I make a mistake or something bad happens. In other words I have less wipes in dungeons as SCH than I do with AST. Maybe I just need more practice with AST. Best advice to level them all and find the one that suits you best.

[CBellz]

I didn't mean no DPS checks, I meant no stress on healing DPS numbers and more stress on healing mechanics.

Hm, so a fight like t13? Coincidentally, SCH was just as vital in that fight during progression. In fact, there are videos of SCHs solohealing that fight while putting out more DPS and needing less ballad than comparable WHMs. :O

"I love how you completely ignore the fact that burning stacks to reach 900 potency reduces DPS output"

Well, I love how you completely forgot that this was in response to you talking strictly about SCH's healing output. Of course I would talk about healing capacity in a vacuum, ignoring DPS requirements. :3

"So, prove me wrong and main/solo heal A3S with SCH with the same degree of work you can do with the other two healers. An overpowered broken job that is the best healer in the game wouldn't have any problems doing that, would it?"

I don't have to because it's already been done :3. Go to fflogs, select A3S and filter search options to search only for scholars with the highest HPS output and you'll see several examples of scholars main healing the fight. In many cases, they allowed their WHM/AST cohealers to achieve top ranking DPS. You made several comparisons to WAR, so I'll add to them. SCH and WAR are built to OT/off heal and no other class is similarly equipped. SCH and WAR, however, are also capable of main tanking/healing, and this is why both are too powerful.

[Sunako]

SCH and WAR, however, are also capable of main tanking/healing, and this is why both are too powerful.

I disagree. There should not be tank/healer that can not main tank/heal. Warrior is op because they boost other tanks dps + ninjas dps with slashing debuff and pld dps is weak. Not because they can survive tank busters like other tanks. If you are so used to use fflogs, you can check what is highest DRK dps and highest WARR dps in savage opressor you compare how far dps is against each other.

[CBellz]

I disagree. There should not be tank/healer that can not main tank/heal. Warrior is op because they boost other tanks dps + ninjas dps with slashing debuff and pld dps is weak. Not because they can survive tank busters like other tanks. If you are so used to use fflogs, you can check what is highest DRK dps and highest WARR dps in savage opressor you compare how far dps is against each other.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. WAR is powerful for a number of reasons, two of which are outlined in our posts. This is going off on a tangent lol

[Sunako]

Not sure what you are trying to say here. WAR is powerful for a number of reasons, two of which are outlined in our posts. This is going off on a tangent lol

What I m saying is. All tanks should be able maintanking all content and all healers should be able mainhealing all content. Maybe there is reason why warrior get buffed after first coil? Some jobs may do it easier, but it should be possible for all.