Please don't gate 3.2 crafted gear behind specialists.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Until Specializations actually do what they were supposed to do (enable someone with seven level 1's and 1 level 60 to HQ 1 and 2 star level 60 recipes on that one 60) they need to stop making recipes locked behind Specializations. All they do is hurt the market by preventing people from entering it as a seller.

Competition is always a healthy thing. Stifling that competition through some outside, all-powerful agency invariably hurts the market. Consider what has happened when the government has instituted price controls on goods, or on gas. It always resulted in a worse situation until those controls were lifted.

Here, the competition is being stifled directly by the Specialization system, rather than indirectly through price controls. It will not result in a good situation.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

AF 2.5 Crafted Gear: Specialist Set.

Requirements:

Fieldcraft V Demimateria (red scrip gear desynth at 5% drop chance) x10
Mastercraft II Demimateria (crafted i170 crafting/gatherer 180 gear desynth at 5% drop chance) x3
The piece of i170 gear you want to turn into i190 Specialist. (ex: Cauldronkeep Coat into Specialist Cauldronkeep Coat) x1
Several new specialist recipees of the new 3 star materials ex:

Hyper Refined Adamantite x2.

Adamantite Ingots x5
Titanium Alloy Square x10
Hyper Fused Dawnborne Sand x5 (new red scrip materials).

Minimun requirements to craft. 1050 Craftmanship, 1010 control. CP aproximately arround 500. Doable with Materia V pentamelds i say.

Also, expect to see a new flavor of scripts.

[Alistaire]

Until Specializations actually do what they were supposed to do (enable someone with seven level 1's and 1 level 60 to HQ 1 and 2 star level 60 recipes on that one 60) they need to stop making recipes locked behind Specializations. All they do is hurt the market by preventing people from entering it as a seller.

Hurt the market? Are you serious? specialist crafting has been one of the better things for the market as it eliminates a pretty large sum of undercutters, which had been one of the bigger complaints on here.

I really hope SE doesn't listen to threads like this.

[Mindy_Macready]

You're saying Square should be happy to give a handful of crafters a virtual monopoly on a given market. That's the exact opposite of "better things for the market." Just to get rid of undercutters? I know the type of posts I hope SE ignores...

Undercutting and saturation in the market correct themselves in the long run.

[keyburz]

Consider what has happened when the government has instituted price controls on goods, or on gas. It always resulted in a worse situation until those controls were lifted.

Square isnt instituting price controls. We can price our good however we want. If you want a correct analogy, specialization is like... real world specialization. You get a degree and go be an engineer, or a teacher, or a welder. You saying these specializations in real life have made the real world worse? Id argue that because of this, our standard of living has increased throughout history.

[keyburz]

You're saying Square should be happy to give a handful of crafters a virtual monopoly on a given market.

The only reason theres a monopoly on the market with the sky pirates gear is because the recipies are so incredibly difficult. The gear needed to even get to that level is gated behind red scrips. If you want to argue about the monopoly situation, youre shooting at the wrong target. The 51-60 gear should have been specialization, to really test how the economy will hold up.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Square isnt instituting price controls. We can price our good however we want. If you want a correct analogy, specialization is like... real world specialization. You get a degree and go be an engineer, or a teacher, or a welder. You saying these specializations in real life have made the real world worse? Id argue that because of this, our standard of living has increased throughout history.

Where did I say that SE is instituting price controls?

I said that price controls are a real world example of some all-powerful outside agency stifling competition. I then said that SE is stifling competition throughout the specialist system.

Different methods. SAME ENDS THAT HURT THE MARKET.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

The only reason theres a monopoly on the market with the sky pirates gear is because the recipies are so incredibly difficult. The gear needed to even get to that level is gated behind red scrips. If you want to argue about the monopoly situation, youre shooting at the wrong target. The 51-60 gear should have been specialization, to really test how the economy will hold up.

The i150 and Hallowed Chestnut accessories are sufficient to do 2 star crafting, so they are definitely enough to do 1 star crafting. It is a matter of having sufficient melds, not having red scrip gear.

[Mindy_Macready]

The only reason theres a monopoly on the market with the sky pirates gear is because the recipies are so incredibly difficult. The gear needed to even get to that level is gated behind red scrips. If you want to argue about the monopoly situation, youre shooting at the wrong target. The 51-60 gear should have been specialization, to really test how the economy will hold up.

That's absolutely false. The gear needed to get to that level is gated behind level 60 crafts at best. The recipes can be done pretty easily with full melds and a proper rotation, and are gated mostly behind your RNG. I'm right on target, thanks.

[keyburz]

If you want to waste money melding the lvl 150 universal set that may become completely useless for the next set of released crafted recipies, by all means go ahead. Both of you are ignoring the fact that a lot of people new to crafting, which the specialist system is designed for, dont have a lot of money to pay for something like melds. And if they cant pay for melds to reach sky pirates recipies, they simply dont craft it, or take a very long time to obtain scrips gear, which is one of two reasons very few people are crafting it. The other being the gear itself only being used for spiritbonding to hopefully get a tier 5.

Both of you are forgetting your position in life. We are way ahead of anyone new to the game. We were there before this. We have the experiance, we have the funding, we have the connections, maybe a guild to help with crafting, friends to exchange materials or rotations. Specialist system is for people new to crafting. And its just fine. But that requires either melding the 150 set (lot of money) or scrip gear (lot of time). A new crafter has neither of this, unless this new crafter is an old player with money.

If youre curious btw how much money someone has that does not participate in any aspect of money making, I have a friend that's been around since the game started, only does raiding and stays current on relic. He has 3m saved up over several years. Doesnt run dungeons, no need to farm that aside from the light farming of old stages. Doesnt make materia. Doesnt do side quests. Doesnt farm tomes unless it happens to be best in slot, or the best obtainable gear he can get until the raid content can drop what he needs. Only 3 million. And that could be burned up instantly in some "penta melds" that you seem to think are so cheap for the new crafter, on gear that is near the end of its life very soon. Some unfortunate rng and wrong timing on materia purchasing and that 3m doesnt even pay for half of the meld requirements.
This is someone from the very beginning of the game. Now imagine someone that joined because they heard about the expansion.