Thread: The Current Status of FFXIV Patch 3.1 and How to Address it Moving Forward

Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion

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This is comical. If you want a comment on what I think of your current post, just read the post above yours. Overall it is pretty silly a system you think works that didn't even work well in the past would somehow magically work today. Didn't work well in FFXI and was only held together by veteran players even in it's prime.

You still have not convinced me that bringing these archaic designs back work on a casual, midcore, and hardcore level. You have not convinced me that a new player will not be overwhelmed when he needs to catch up with higher end game players. You have not convinced me that your methods would not burn someone out faster. This comes down to that what you believe is best for you and your friends. Also I would not take the forums too strongly into account as they are not an accurate representation of how the mass majority feel about the game. You don't think on all levels of play but your own and that is why everything you say is heavily flawed. At best you try to make excuses on why it might work for newer players.

But who am I to say what you can and cannot think!? If you think archaic, outdated design is something that will work, then more power to you.

Originally Posted by Kallera

From what I hear some are making the argument of making the content harder, to force players in being skilled all the time, this might backfire like it did in steps and savage, because the way content is set now is very, mercenary. Yoshida' idea of players going "That wasn't so bad" misses the follow up where players clear the content, but the experience is such that they loathe the process of playing through it.

It is more about making a proper learning/difficulty curve than just throwing difficulty on top of something. As Extra Credits once said: Throwing too much difficulty at the start can also dissuade people from continuing. It is sort of like a fighting game. At first you can just use the same move and spam buttons and succeed. Later getting past more fighters, you see that it doesn't work well like it did before. So you have to think of getting better to overcome that obstacle, making yourself more experienced and well adjusted in the process. Eventually getting to the end where all your knowledge and skill comes to the test. Maybe a bad analogy, but just trying to get a point across that people just need to be better motivated to better themselves. I can't say I have an answer to that and it is a person by person basis type of thing, but the answer certainly isn't just dumbing down things for people. It is insulting at another level.

Originally Posted by Kaurie

Then we have the much slower progression in ilvls initially. I remember getting the first ilvl 70 pieces took awhile, and then upgrading to 90 was a big feat. Conversely, ilvl 170 and 190 stuff was thrown at you so fast that you could easily be max 179 gear in less than a week from HW launch (I was), and 190 before August.

I have to agree. I think this was a big consequence of them staggering the release of Alexander for Heavensward—it really did feel like we progressed too quickly, as we sort of had two "mini tiers" at the start of the expansion. The progression will hopefully feel more meaningful in future patches this expansion, as they won't be staggering the gear for a particular patch like that again. Hopefully, they handle things better for the release of the next expansion.

Originally Posted by Velhart

It is more about making a proper learning/difficulty curve than just throwing difficulty on top of something. As Extra Credits once said: Throwing too much difficulty at the start can also dissuade people from continuing. It is sort of like a fighting game. At first you can just use the same move and spam buttons and succeed. Later getting past more fighters, you see that it doesn't work well like it did before. So you have to think of getting better to overcome that obstacle, making yourself more experienced and well adjusted in the process. Eventually getting to the end where all your knowledge and skill comes to the test. .

Well, i am pretty sure you can find every solution for this game problem at Extra Credit using Dan Number one voice. I remember the part dan mention the street fighter. He also mention that when Blizzard nerfed Zerg tactic in starcraft a lot of people quit because the game never taught them any other tactic. You can drop a lot of parallel here.

Originally Posted by FizzleofHyperion

The 3.2 trailer is out and thats a bigger disappointment then this relic chapter. Instead of making new stuff to craft we are crafting old Allagan stuff ? Good Game! Everything else is a repeat of what we have done for 3 years.

What, exactly, did you expect them to add at the start of a new raid tier? Were they not going to add new dungeons? Were they not going to add a new raid? Should they not have added a new story chapter? None of the content in 3.2 should have been a mystery to you. The game's core content model is stable and they intend to continue with it.

If you dislike that core content model, you should honestly probably find another game because it's not likely to ever substantially change. We'll get a new sort of content probably every year or so (like Treasure Maps, Hunts, or Diadem), but the core of the game is going to remain the same, just as it should for an MMO that has an established player base who like that core.

I'm more excited for the new Allagan Gear than I was for 3.1. It's something I've wanted since 2.1 when they introduced glamour. The new dungeons look great—especially Lost City, which was my favorite dungeon in ARR. Midas gear looks much better than the Gordias gear did, and I'm excited for the raid tier to be balanced for a less hardcore approach. Hlidy is back, too, which is something lots of players have been clamoring for.