Thread: The Current Status of FFXIV Patch 3.1 and How to Address it Moving Forward

Originally Posted by Kikoten

So the Anima weapon isn't quite as good as raid-gained weapons?

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Why the hell am I even putting the time in for it, then? I'm sinking that much time into a weapon that takes second place?

Or is it just glamour?

2.X did the same exact thing. Relics were never going to be good as raid weapons since raid weapons takes tight skill and dedication in end game content while relics are made for people who simply have a lot of time and can't/won't do raids.

Originally Posted by Kaurie

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While I agree with the rest of your points, we only had to beat Titan hard mode for the first step, not Titan Extreme.

Originally Posted by Kaurie

This isn't exactly true. In the first step of the 2.x relic, you were required to beat hard content (Titan hard). By the 5th step to the 8th step, you were able to customize the weapon to the stats that you wanted.

What did beating titan have to do with raids? BCoB was out at launch. That was considered hard content, not titan. Even then, they realized that the ease of doing the relic quest (which ended with a fight with titan) didn't match the difficulty of doing BCoB and in 2.1 they raised allagan weapons to 95. Just to be clear, a lot of people seem to have misconceptions about the timings of updates (due to not playing the game maybe?). In 2.0 we had 90 relic (+1 it was called back then) and 90 Allagan. In 2.1 Allagan bumped 5 levels to 95, relic stayed the same (name got changed to zenith). 2.2 was new raid tier; high allagan at 115, and relic added atma and animus (100). 2.28 added Novus which was 110. Way later in 2.38, pretty close to the next raid tier being released (like weeks) we got Nexus at 115. 2.4 added dreadwyrm at 135 we still had nexus. 2.45 added the penultimate step (125) and we didn't get the zeta until 2.51, at the very end of ARR. At exactly zero points was the relic the same ilvl as the relic weapon except when the game launched (which they admitted as a mistake and fixed it in the next patch by bumping the allagan weapons) and ended (right before the expansion). Well I guess the couple of weeks between 2.38 and 2.4 Nexus was at high allagan level, a whopping 6 months later.

SE knows what crowd the intended the relic to be for and they make sure that you cannot replace hard content with grinding. It was quite amazing that they released a tome weapon at all that didn't require a raid drop and they held off the relic to make sure that it doesn't interfere with raid progression. They seem to however see that similar to 2.0, they simply cannot have the relic at the same level as the raid weapon. They could do the same thing as they did in 2.1, but inflation only treats the symptoms, rather than fixing the problem. It seems that their approach will be at the levels simply don't match and in exchange there will not be any difficult content to get the relic. But of course, we already knew that since they wrote in the the first post.

Originally Posted by UBERHAXED

What did beating titan have to do with raids? BCoB was out at launch. That was considered hard content, not titan. Even then, they realized that the ease of doing the relic quest (which ended with a fight with titan) didn't match the difficulty of doing BCoB and in 2.1 they raised allagan weapons to 95.

they also raised the ilvl of the titan weapons from 70 to 80 (you got the lvl 80 relic weapon after the fight, making the ilvl 70 titan weapons useless). so not sure if pointing to the early days is really that meaningfull :x