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    Quote Originally Posted by Belhi View Post
    Secondly, you seem to make the assumption they had more resources that they just didn't use. Considering every indication we have seen has been that this team works its ass off which is match by a very competitive development speed compared to other MMOs, it's likely they didn't have a great deal of additional resources to spend which means either something would have had to be cut from elsewhere or we wouldn't be getting the relic quest here at all..
    Honestly, we're coming to the point where the "we don't have enough resources" thing isn't going to fly when they fail to deliver (again). They have already cut from regular content (expert dungeons, MSQ and primal fights) to add content like Diadem and LoV, and we see how those turned out. Or really, the lasting power of an expansion launch in general; there shouldn't have been a feeling of a content draught 3 months after an expansion release.

    In regards to the bolded part, I honestly don't care for "how fast" they release content, I'm willing to wait if it can tide me reasonably long enough to the next cycle (the quality of the content). Haste makes waste, and sure enough I feel like there's a lot of corners being cut and rushed to meet deadlines or expedited release with the content we're getting. They might be the fastest updating MMO I've played, but its also the fastest one thats taking a nose dive in regards to content quality, esp in relation to their liveletter previews.

    It was passable in 2.0, being a relaunch and it still having the novelty of a new mmo hitting the shelfs. But I feel like at this point ,that's he best they could have done because 3.0 in general feels really...bleh, to the point that it's just a content patch that I paid for, and especially so with the anima weapon if I wanted to take a daily approach to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
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    Well I think it's a catch 22 here; either the devs spreads patches apart and risk losing people from being bored for waiting for so long (in addition to losing more people if the patches aren't up to snuff), or they try to keep people interested in shorter bursts while risking of recycling content to save time. It's clear that the team needs more resources and the higher ups seem to not want to spend a cent on them since they're not FF15 or the FF7 remake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    Well I think it's a catch 22 here; either the devs spreads patches apart and risk losing people from being bored for waiting for so long (in addition to losing more people if the patches aren't up to snuff), or they try to keep people interested in shorter bursts while risking of recycling content to save time. It's clear that the team needs more resources and the higher ups seem to not want to spend a cent on them since they're not FF15 or the FF7 remake.
    Personally, I don't think that resources are that huge of an issue. This game puts out a lot of stuff. I think that time management, prioritization and game-design are the issues. They, or others, may say how they are short staffed, but really, they are putting out a lot of content. Patch cycles are frequent, and they create whole new dungeons in addition to things like Diadem, LoV etc. The issue was, that LoV and Diadem sucked - and that was a lot of development time I am sure.

    If I were a lead on this project, I'd focus priorities on 2 aspects - 1. what do and will most people take part in, and 2. what will have the most far reaching effects. I include 2., because I think that even though raiding is probably not enjoyed by the majority, it's effects are widespread to the entire community. In this case, I wouldn't focus so many efforts on things like LoV, as even at best that would very likely not be engaging for the majority of the playerbase. Instead, I'd have put a lot of resources into the relic. I'd do this because it would appear that the vast majority of players - casual and hardcore alike - take part in this activity. I'd want the relic to be the absolute best content addition to the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    Well I think it's a catch 22 here; either the devs spreads patches apart and risk losing people from being bored for waiting for so long (in addition to losing more people if the patches aren't up to snuff), or they try to keep people interested in shorter bursts while risking of recycling content to save time. It's clear that the team needs more resources and the higher ups seem to not want to spend a cent on them since they're not FF15 or the FF7 remake.
    It's not really a big catch 22 as you make it to be, esp with almost anything in regards to entertainment or even servicing.It might be hard for some people to believe, but people are willing to wait for good content. I mean it becomes a catch 22 if you let it get that far where people are starving for content and you're already rushing subpar content (which is happening right now to an extent) I'm personally miffed as hell that Anima was delayed from an intended 3.0 release, and in the end all we got was content that was using content that goes as far as 2.x, content that's been reused since 2.x, and every other aspect of it being "meh" at best. We had a delay for 3.1 due to development vacation, and what we got to show for it was a relatively weaker MSQ, Diadem that comes with it's own problems, and LoV, and behind that was a rather underwhelming release of 3.0 once you get past the novelty of leveling (and it doesn't quite help that my main is MCH/BRD either).

    I'm personally going from "I'll just unsub for a month until 3.2 arrives" to "If 3.2 doesn't catch my interest, I'm not going to resub". Between getting serviced terrible food at a restaurant, and being getting serviced late (which may be due to understaffing or lack of preparation) but still getting quality food, which is more likely to get people coming back, which is more likely to make them stop coming back? And help you if you delay it and still come out with terrible food because you rushed it anyway. I can get that there may be times where they simply cannot make the cut and it has to be scrapped entirely or put off, but honestly I'd much rather prefer that so they can allocate their resources to something else or put it off as a future thing, rather than releasing it as is or half baked.

    Quote Originally Posted by FeliAiko View Post
    Reportedly CT was meant to be in 2.0 but wasnt completed in time, so ended up in 2.1. With 3.0 they had the chance to change things somewhat but resorted to the same formula.
    CT being delayed is an example of people willing to delay content if it means it'll be good, polished and presentable.

    A launch of an expansion (or game even, in the case of 2.0) is the one place you can't afford to undersell and fail on delivery. It's what sets the foundation for future updates. How can you add onto FC crafting to make it exciting if it's not even crafting (relative to the game's definition and term of it) and the only "FC" about it is that it's done in an FC house? How can you make players feel they have evolved from their 2.0 counterparts if their characters receive very few, if any changes? How can you make players feel empowered with each gear drop and stat increase if you don't change how they work to the point they have a tangible effect? All of these changes are big things that would be hard pressed to meet in a 3.x patch... but ironically enough they had released ninja during 2.4 and it still came out better than how MCH turned out to be and is in general considered a success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiceisNice View Post
    Between getting serviced terrible food at a restaurant, and being getting serviced late (which may be due to understaffing or lack of preparation) but still getting quality food, which is more likely to get people coming back, which is more likely to make them stop coming back? And help you if you delay it and still come out with terrible food because you rushed it anyway. I can get that there may be times where they simply cannot make the cut and it has to be scrapped entirely or put off, but honestly I'd much rather prefer that so they can allocate their resources to something else or put it off as a future thing, rather than releasing it as is or half baked.
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    I feel that they are also just messing up our order.

    Enter restaurant.
    Waiter: Oh sorry we are not open yet.
    Me: Sign says you're open.
    Waiter: Yeah it will be another hour, I'm sorry.
    1 hour later.
    Enter restaurant
    Waiter brings me to my table, hands me a menu
    Me: I'd like the New York Steak please, and a garden salad to start.
    Waiter sure thing, that will be ready in approximately 6 hours.
    Me: WHAT?
    Waiter I assure you, the time will be worth it.
    Me: 6 hours later of eating the free bread, he brings my dinner.
    Waiter hands over a loaf of bread with a leaf on the side.
    Me: I ordered a salad and steak?
    Waiter: oh yes, this leaf here is your salad.
    Me: Umm.. ok and the steak?
    Water: we understand that you want steak, but there are actually many restaurants that serve steak and we think you will like this bread more.
    Me, grudgingly eats the bread - and it's stale.
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    Last edited by Kaurie; 01-08-2016 at 02:19 AM.