Thread: The Current Status of FFXIV Patch 3.1 and How to Address it Moving Forward

The drop rate is slightly better, as it should be since you spend more time flying around these huge zones than actually participating in fates it seems like. It still RNG, sure, but it's not as a bad as atma was originally, plus we can level up with the fates unlike before where you had to be on that job with the relic equipped to get an atma. The set of dungeons are guaranteed drops, you don't have to run them until you get an rng drop, although we do have to run those on the job we selected vs before we could run the dungeons on any drop. I'll take the rng-free approach here as a good improvement, as well. The other steps aren't all that different, we had to spend a lot of tomes on the books before and now we just have a few more options instead of tomes only, and the crafted items are pretty equal (wasn't there 12 or 16 crafts for zodiac? I don't recall since I didn't finish that part of the quest.) The weapon is outdated, sure, but there is less RNG overall and more flexibility how to accomplish.

I'm not white knighting, my general opinion that SE flubbed the early part of expansion has not changed. I think it's important for us to let them know the good along with the bad, and most people only seems to be focusing on the bad which doesn't particularly help anyone find the solution.

So, basically this is Yoshi's way of sweeping our concerns under the rug because we clearly don't know what we want. It's a bit like a parent who keeps feeding you food you don't like because it's supposed to be good for you, and keeps the cookies locked up on the top shelf.

It's really great that you want to cater to casual players, really it is. If SE took a look at my login history, they'd know I'm a casual player myself! I slowly grinded my Zeta weapon. It took me almost a year to complete. By the time I had it in my hands, it was quickly overshadowed by Heavensward and level 60. This time, I'm looking at the relic and shaking my head in disappointment.

Honestly, I'm not sure why it's so hard to understand that people want to have fun when they play a game. Grindy, repetitive content is practically a staple in an MMO, but it's possible to go too far to the extremes, which is what the Anima weapons are a perfect example of. These weapons are too grindy, too repetitive, and too boring to obtain. If history repeats itself (and I have no doubt in my mind that it shall, given the pattern we're seeing), we'll be seeing level 220-230 weapons available for tomes far sooner than we casual players would see our relics at the same level.

It kills all incentive to work towards these things knowing that it would take longer to accomplish than it would to simply wait for the next best weapon. You want an example? I had a level 130 white mage staff from tomes and crystal tower drops (yes, crystal tower, not coil!) long before I ever managed to finish upgrading my Curtana Nexus (level 115)! I had started working on the relic from day one!

There may be a few players out there who are content to chase the provierbial carrot on a stick, but I'm not about to repeat the process a second time. The simple fact that Yoshi stated 'new allagan tome' in the response indicates that, once again, we'll see an upheaval of esoterics and law tomes just to reset the status quo with a new set of arbitrary tomes at a higher item level. History repeats itself time and time again.

When updates get predictable, the game has clearly gone South. Stop stalling, and start innovating. This is one subscriber who is losing her patience.

Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

The drop rate is slightly better, as it should be since you spend more time flying around these huge zones than actually participating in fates it seems like. It still RNG, sure, but it's not as a bad as atma was originally, plus we can level up with the fates unlike before where you had to be on that job with the relic equipped to get an atma. The set of dungeons are guaranteed drops, you don't have to run them until you get an rng drop, although we do have to run those on the job we selected vs before we could run the dungeons on any drop. I'll take the rng-free approach here as a good improvement, as well. The other steps aren't all that different, we had to spend a lot of tomes on the books before and now we just have a few more options instead of tomes only, and the crafted items are pretty equal (wasn't there 12 or 16 crafts for zodiac? I don't recall since I didn't finish that part of the quest.) The weapon is outdated, sure, but there is less RNG overall and more flexibility how to accomplish.

I'm not white knighting, my general opinion that SE flubbed the early part of expansion has not changed. I think it's important for us to let them know the good along with the bad, and most people only seems to be focusing on the bad which doesn't particularly help anyone find the solution.

I definitely agree that being able to use alt classes is a step in the right direction. It always really annoyed me that you couldn't use them in a game that claims to be very alt friendly. Tbh, I think the second step was the most thrown together one, like they scrapped the real grind last minute and said "screw it, just make them run the newest dungeons quick. Probably was scrapped as a result of the late release.

Originally Posted by Whiteroom

Probably was scrapped as a result of the late release.

Yea the step to 200 seems out of place, I agree. I'm not sure why they settled with 170/200/210, I think they should have had a 190 stage and they could've split the last stage up into smaller chunks that way. But, hindsight is 20/20, so we just kinda have to hope they realize they messed this up pretty bad and are working to not make the same mistakes again. That's what it's really about, if you make a mistake, that's fine, own up to it. If you make the same mistake again that's when people start to doubt, that's where we are right now. If they make the same mistake again it's going to be outright destructive to their game.

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I'm fine with Anima Weapons being mainly a option for non-raiding players to have a decent weapon and I don't mind it taking some time to complete. What I'm NOT okay with is it being based on RNG or being forced into buying items that only a small number of players can craft.

You'd think they'd learn from 2.0 that NOBODY WANTS TO FATE GRIND!

The difficulty was high to the point that players were unable to clear the content ... severity of DPS checks

This has to be a poor attempt at trolling. If it's not it only shows how out of touch and detached they've become. They create fights that are nothing but 'avoid the aoe' and 'do as much damage as possible in 5 seconds' then take away DPS mobility and add in skill restrictions and wonder why people can't clear it? Really?

BRD/MCH can't move because SE wants them to be casters now and BLM/SMN are under tight time limits with Enochian and Aethertrail Attunement. BLM is almost unplayable in raid content.



The devs need to swallow their JP pride and realize that people aren't paying $15 to have a second job.

So if I have this right, the real reason the Relic was delayed was because of Gordian being i210 as well? Then he states in hindsight he could've raised the raid weapon by 5 ilevels to combat this problem. In other words, the same situation they had in 2.x with the original Relic and Allagan weapons, it didn't occur to them to just simply do the same thing with the Gordian weapon, then release the Relic earlier? Okay then...

Originally Posted by FeliAiko

So if I have this right, the real reason the Relic was delayed was because of Gordian being i210 as well? Then he states in hindsight he could've raised the raid weapon by 5 ilevels to combat this problem. In other words, the same situation they had in 2.x with the original Relic and Allagan weapons, it didn't occur to them to just simply do the same thing with the Gordian weapon, then release the Relic earlier? Okay then...

I call bs on his excuse. If thats the issue, just raise gordian weapon to 215 in an earlier hotfix. Didn't they have to do this with bcob weapons as well? If so, do we learn from our mistakes? Also, even if it was valid, it does not explain holding back the first two steps.